Dirac Spinor Transformation (Ryder)

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The forum discussion centers on the transformation rule for Dirac spinors as presented by Ryder. A participant identifies a discrepancy in the representation of the adjoint spinor, specifically questioning the expression for \(\bar{\psi}\) and its implications for subsequent derivations involving infinitesimal rotations. The correct representation of the adjoint spinor is confirmed as \(\bar{\psi} = \psi^t \gamma^0\), where \(\gamma^0\) is defined as \(\left( \begin{array}{ccc} 0 & 1 \\ 1 & 0 \end{array} \right)\). Despite the initial confusion, it is established that continuing with Ryder's derivation using the correct expression still leads to the same final result.

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Homework Statement



This complies when I type it in my Latex editor, but not on here. If you could either let me know how to fix that or copy and paste what I have into your own editor to help, that'd be great. Thanks!

While Ryder is setting up to derive a transformation rule for Dirac spinors, I have failed to follow one step that is crucial for a subsequent derivation for an infinitesimal rotation. He has (with t representing conjugate transpose):

[ tex ]\bar{\psi} \gamma \psi=( \phi_R^t \phi_L^t ) \left( \begin{array}{ccc}
0 & -\sigma \\
\sigma & 0 \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\phi_R \\
\phi_L
\end{array} \right) [ /tex ]

But I was under the impression the adjoint spinor was represented as
[ tex ]
\bar{\psi}=\psi^t \gamma^0=( \phi_L^t \phi_R^t )
[ /tex ]
since
[ tex ]
\gamma^0=\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
0 & 1 \\
1 & 0 \end{array} \right)
[ /tex ]
If this is the case, the proceeding derivation does not follow.

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physstudent.4 said:

Homework Statement



This complies when I type it in my Latex editor, but not on here. If you could either let me know how to fix that or copy and paste what I have into your own editor to help, that'd be great. Thanks!

While Ryder is setting up to derive a transformation rule for Dirac spinors, I have failed to follow one step that is crucial for a subsequent derivation for an infinitesimal rotation. He has (with t representing conjugate transpose):

\bar{\psi} \gamma \psi=( \phi_R^t \phi_L^t ) \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 0 &amp; -\sigma \\<br /> \sigma &amp; 0 \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \phi_R \\<br /> \phi_L<br /> \end{array} \right)

But I was under the impression the adjoint spinor was represented as
<br /> \bar{\psi}=\psi^t \gamma^0=( \phi_L^t \phi_R^t )<br />
since
<br /> \gamma^0=\left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 0 \end{array} \right)<br />
If this is the case, the proceeding derivation does not follow.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Above the above

Just leave out the spaces in [ tex ] and [ /tex ]

I think you are right that Ryder has not written ## \bar{\psi} \vec{\gamma} \psi ## correctly. However, if you continue his derivation of how the expression transforms under an infinitesimal spatial rotation using your correct expression, you will still be led to the same final result.
 
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