Calculus 1: Solving Limits Without L'Hopital

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of a function involving sine as the variable approaches a specific value, \(\frac{\pi}{9}\). The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on limits and the conditions under which they exist.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the behavior of the limit as \(x\) approaches \(\frac{\pi}{9}\), with one participant attempting to manipulate the expression by regrouping the angle. Others question the existence of the limit based on the values of the sine function and the behavior of the denominator.

Discussion Status

There is a consensus among participants that the limit does not exist, with various observations made regarding the signs of the function as \(x\) approaches \(\frac{\pi}{9}\) from either side. Some participants express frustration over the problem's context, particularly regarding the use of L'Hopital's rule.

Contextual Notes

One participant mentions that this problem was part of a quiz, which adds to the emotional context of the discussion. There is an implication that the problem may have been misrepresented or misunderstood in terms of its expected outcome.

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So I was helping this person the other day, and this problem made me pretty mad.

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow\frac{\pi}{9}}\left(\frac{\sin x}{x-\frac{\pi}{9}}\right)[/tex]

First, I added and subtracted pi/9. I regrouped the angle so that it was sin[(x-pi/9)+pi/9] and expanded it, but that didn't help at all.

I could use L'Hopital, but this is a calculus 1 problem.
 
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Might have made you mad because the limit doesn't exist. sin(pi/9) is not equal to zero. The denominator does approach zero.
 
Yeah, like Dick already pointed it out, this limit doesn't exist, and it is very easy to notice it by just observing some values to the left and to the right of [tex]\frac{\pi}{9}[/tex] since pi/9 lies in the first quadrant, sin(x) won't change sing.

But the bottom, when we take values to the left of pi/9 will be negative, while to the right positive.
SO the right hand side limit of this is infinity, while the left hand side -infinity. The overall limit does not exist.
 
And, therefore, you could not use L'Hopital's rule!
 
HallsofIvy said:
And, therefore, you could not use L'Hopital's rule!
oh shoot! This was a quiz problem and gave the answer -1. Now I'm mad!
 

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