Calculus Book Advice: Spivak, Lang for 1-3

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of two calculus books, "Calculus" by Michael Spivak and "A First Course In Calculus" by Serge Lang, for achieving a comprehensive understanding of calculus 1, 2, and 3. Participants share their experiences and opinions on these texts, as well as other calculus resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about whether Spivak and Lang's books will provide a complete understanding of calculus 1, 2, and 3.
  • Another suggests checking the table of contents of the books against the expected learning outcomes for the calculus courses.
  • Some participants note that Spivak's book contains challenging exercises aimed at fostering a deep understanding of calculus.
  • There is mention of Apostol's calculus books as valuable resources, with one participant recommending them alongside Spivak's work.
  • A participant reflects on their experience with Stewart's calculus, noting its perceived simplicity and questioning why it is often criticized.
  • Another participant suggests that Stewart's calculus may be tailored to a broader audience rather than those pursuing mathematics deeply.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of progressing through a calculus book quickly without completing all exercises, with some participants questioning the depth of understanding achieved.
  • One participant recommends starting with Lang's introduction to calculus before moving on to more advanced texts like Apostol's or Spivak's, and mentions the availability of online lecture resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on the effectiveness of the discussed calculus books, with no clear consensus on which book is superior or whether they adequately cover the necessary material for calculus courses.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of doing exercises to solidify understanding, while others suggest that familiarity with concepts may suffice. There is also a mention of the appropriateness of certain books for different levels of mathematical interest and ambition.

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Hello PF community, I have an important question(to me.. and hopefully other users aswell) about two particular books I have ordered. I have ordered Calculus by Michael Spivak as well as A First Course In Calculus by Serge Lang and I am very curious to know if those two books will give me a complete and thorough understanding of calculus 1, 2 and 3 , Thanks
 
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Just look at what a student is supposed to learn in Calc1, 2 & 3 and see the table of contents of each book you purchased.
 
As far as I know, Spivak's book has got a lot of hard exercices to see if you really have a deep understanding of the material. I think you should also try Apostol's books on Calculus, which are great books (I have them).
 
I also have Stewarts calculus 3rd edition and I've taught myself up to applications of integration in 1 week but that just emphasizes the fact that Stewart is just maybe a bit too easy for me.. but the book has basically all of calculus based on what people say, so why do so much people hate Stewart's calculus ?
 
NathanaelNolk said:
As far as I know, Spivak's book has got a lot of hard exercices to see if you really have a deep understanding of the material. I think you should also try Apostol's books on Calculus, which are great books (I have them).

Sorry, I forgot to quote you in my previous reply( I'm new here)
 
Muon said:
[...] Why do so much people hate Stewart's calculus ?

Since everything in it is really standardized to fit some testing model.
 
HakimPhilo said:
Since everything in it is really standardized to fit some testing model.

Is that it? so do you mean that it is aimed towards all of the students that are not interested in becoming mathematicians?
 
Muon said:
Is that it? so do you mean that it is aimed towards all of the students that are not interested in becoming mathematicians?

That's not what I meant.
 
Muon said:
I also have Stewarts calculus 3rd edition and I've taught myself up to applications of integration in 1 week

How can one go so far in a book in one week? Have you done the exercises? Because, it seems quite unusual. It must be some kind of introductory book then, isn't it ?
 
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NathanaelNolk said:
How can one go so far in a book in one week? Have you done the exercises? Because, it seems quite unusual. It must be some kind of introductory book then, isn't it ?

Well I have to admit I have not done every problem because there is about 100 problems for every section but I do understand the concepts very well, that is all
 
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NathanaelNolk said:
How can one go so far in a book in one week? Have you done the exercises? Because, it seems quite unusual. It must be some kind of introductory book then, isn't it ?

And maybe.. I mean it certainly is no Spivak based on what I've heard
 
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So, do you feel at ease with most of the subjects you have covered in this book ? Are you able to do 85% of the exercices and get the right answer ? I mean, even if you don't do it, when you see the exercice, can you think about how you're going to do it ?
If the answers are no, then you should consider re-reading it, or trying a new book I guess. You should start with Lang's introduction to calculus, and then move on to Apostol's or Spivak's Calculus book. Maybe, if you'd rather attend lectures on the subject, you should try this : http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-01sc-single-variable-calculus-fall-2010/ and then move on to the Multivariable one.By the way, that post belongs to Academic Guidance, not Calculus.
 
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NathanaelNolk said:
So, do you feel at ease with most of the subjects you have covered in this book ? Are you able to do 85% of the exercices and get the right answer ? I mean, even if you don't do it, when you see the exercice, can you think about how you're going to do it ?
If the answers are no, then you should consider re-reading it, or trying a new book I guess. You should start with Lang's introduction to calculus, and then move on to Apostol's or Spivak's Calculus book. Maybe, if you'd rather attend lectures on the subject, you should try this : http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-01sc-single-variable-calculus-fall-2010/ and then move on to the Multivariable one.


By the way, that post belongs to Academic Guidance, not Calculus.

Thanks Nathan, and yes I can come up with the answer about 60% of the time so I will try rereading all of it and do the exercises
 
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You're welcome. By the way, if you don't feel comfortable with this book, try another one. As I said, Lang's First course in Calculus is quite good. Try Apostol's or Spivak's book when you feel you've got a good grasp of the subject.
 

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