Calculus Calculator: Wolframalpha.com & Tips

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The discussion revolves around the use of WolframAlpha for calculus-related tasks, particularly focusing on derivatives, antiderivatives, and the handling of variables in differentiation. Participants share their experiences, tips, and challenges encountered while using the tool for various calculus problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find WolframAlpha to be a useful tool for checking work on derivatives and integrals, noting its ability to provide possible solution pathways.
  • Others report encountering errors in the tool's calculations for antiderivatives, raising concerns about its reliability.
  • One participant suggests alternative input methods for antiderivatives, such as "antidifferentiate f(x) dx" or "integrate f(x) dx."
  • There are discussions about misunderstandings of results returned by WolframAlpha, particularly in relation to trigonometric and advanced integrals.
  • A specific example is provided regarding the differentiation of a function containing a variable 'm' that is part of a 2D variable, leading to confusion about the assumptions made by WolframAlpha.
  • Another participant mentions that the tool does not recognize 'm' as a 2D variable, which affects the differentiation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express mixed experiences with WolframAlpha, with some finding it reliable and others noting errors or misunderstandings. There is no consensus on its overall reliability, as experiences vary significantly.

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Limitations include the potential for misunderstanding results due to the tool's assumptions about variable dependencies and the specific input methods used by participants.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals in mathematics and engineering who are exploring the capabilities and limitations of computational tools for calculus.

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Wolframalpha.com is a really good one. It looks like a search engine, and to find the derivative, type in d/dx(function.) To do antiderivatives, you need the symbol ∫. For limits use lim(function) as x->whatever.
 
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I found some errors in it doing simple antiderivates.
 
For antiderivatives you can just type "antidifferentiate f(x) dx" or "integrate f(x) dx"
 
Wolfram is generally reliable, Although it often generates solutions that have been simplified in a very strange manner. I find it to be a useful for double checking my work. For indefinite integrals, possible solution pathways are also provided. If you get a question wrong, these usually help pinpoint the problem, Although I'd never completely rely on it. I have always considered it a supplementary tool I can use to verify my knowledge and confidence, nothing else.
 
thrill3rnit3 said:
I found some errors in it doing simple antiderivates.

I have sometimes thought it was making an error, but it has always turned out to be either my error or my misunderstanding of the result returned. Do you have specific examples where it made an error?
 
phyzguy said:
I have sometimes thought it was making an error, but it has always turned out to be either my error or my misunderstanding of the result returned. Do you have specific examples where it made an error?

I have had the same problem (not errors, but "thinking" the wolfram computation was wrong). I have noticed that with lots of trigonometric and some more advanced integrals, wolfram has a tendency to perform odd simplifications that usually throw me off, but that are in fact correct (just not necessary so simple).
 
thrill3rnit3 said:
I found some errors in it doing simple antiderivates.
I haven't had this problem, do you have any examples of when it makes these supposed errors?
 
Leptos said:
I haven't had this problem, do you have any examples of when it makes these supposed errors?

I posted my comment over a year ago, so they have probably fixed the error(s) by now.

either way I don't remember exactly the problem(s), but yeah I did find some error(s).
 
I've just checked this calculator for the partial differentiation of ((x1-m1)^2/s^2) w.r.t 'm' i.e. d/dm(((x1-m1)^2/s^2))

and the result was

(-2 (-m1 + x1)^2 s'[m])/s^3 + (2 (-m1 + x1) (-m1'[m] + x1'[m]))/s^2;

I'm still confused how do we differentiate a function containing 'm1' w.r.t 'm'; m is a 2D variable which consists of (m1,m2).
Can please somebody explain this to me. I'll be really very grateful.
 
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Wolfram alpha doesn't know that m is a 2d variable consisting of (m1,m2). SInce you differentiated an expression by m, and the expression doesn't contain m (only x1, s, and m1), it assumes that all three of x1, m1, and s are functions of m, and gives you the derivative using that assumption.
 
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Thank you very much for your reply. Can u tell me how to solve my equation in general or through the calculator?
 
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It depends what you are trying to do. You might want to read up on vector calculus - I suggest starting with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_calculus
Do you want the gradient of the scalar function f=((x1-m1)^2/s^2) ? In this case, since f is independent of m2, it would just be df/dm1*e1, where e1 is the unit vector in the m1 direction. What problem are you trying to solve exactly?
 

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