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Calculus in the velocity and acceleration of satellites.

  1. Jul 16, 2017 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    I am working on a project dealing with the velocity and acceleration of satellites based on their distance from Earth. I was recommended to include some calculus in this project. Originally I thought I could just take the derivative of the orbital speed equation to find acceleration, given the mass of the Earth and the gravitational constant would be constants in the situation. When I tested this hypothesis with the accepted acceleration equation the answers came out different. I am fairly sure this is because the remaining variable is R (the radius of the orbit) as opposed to time, but perhaps I am making a different mistake. So at this point I am in search for a way to make calculus relevant in this situation.

    2. Relevant equations
    v = SQRT(G*M/R)
    a = G*M/R^2

    3. The attempt at a solution
    I also have been looking for a way to calculate the distance of objects like the ISS from Earth based on observations/ measurements I can take myself (from Earth), but I assume any solution to this would be related to trigonometry or geometry.
     
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  3. Jul 16, 2017 #2

    haruspex

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    Remember that velocity and acceleration are vectors. Differentiating a speed (a scalar) does not give acceleration.
    Please post your algebra.
     
  4. Jul 16, 2017 #3
    Remember that acceleration is change in velocity with respect to change in time
     
  5. Jul 16, 2017 #4

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    Moved to Calculus & Beyond section
     
  6. Jul 16, 2017 #5
    Thanks for your reply!
    Currently I have only taken one year of calculus in which I have not learned vectors (the report is for math in the program I am in and because I have taken calculus I was encouraged to utilize that skill). However with a bit of research on the basics of such I realize how obvious my mistake is. With that in mind my first though was that perhaps I could find velocity given the acceleration formula with some integration. But anyways in short this was my math:
    I took an online example where R (the radius of the orbit) was 6.47 x 10^6 m. When plugged into the acceleration formula, a = (6.673 x 10^-11 N m^2/kg^2) • (5.98 x 10^24 kg) / (6.47 x 106 m)^2, a (acceleration) was equal to 9.53 meters per second squared.
    To test my idea to use calculus I took the orbital speed equation, v = SQRT(G*M/R), and plugged in the gravitational constant, 6.673 x 10-11 N m^2/kg^2, for G and the mass of Earth, 5.98 x 10^24 kg, for M
    I than simplified this to v=998806037 / 50*R^1/2
    The derivative of this was a= -998806037 / 100R^3/2
    I finally just plugged in the same R value into the new potential acceleration equation, a= -998806037 / 100(6.47x10^6)^3/2, and got a=6.07x10^-4 which was not equal to the answer produced by the equation so I knew I made some wrong assumption.
     
  7. Jul 16, 2017 #6

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    That is the derivative wrt radius, dv/dR. Acceleration is the derivative of velocity wrt time, dv/dt.
     
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