Calculus of Variation - Shortest path on the surface of a sphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of finding the shortest path on the surface of a sphere, specifically through the lens of calculus of variations and the geometric properties of great circles. Participants explore the relationship between planes and spherical surfaces in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the shortest path on the surface of a sphere, described as Ay-Bx=z, implies a ring connecting two points with its center at the sphere's center.
  • Another participant clarifies that the geodesic is actually the intersection of a plane through the center of the sphere with the spherical surface, which forms a great circle.
  • A participant seeks confirmation that the intersection of a plane through the center of a sphere is a circle, and that the shorter arc of this circle represents the shortest path between two points.
  • Another participant agrees with this interpretation, stating that the intersection is indeed a great circle and that the shorter arc is the shortest distance.
  • Questions arise regarding why the solution is presented as an equation of a plane rather than that of a circle, with references to deriving the great circle solution from angular coordinates on the sphere's surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the shortest path being a great circle, but there are questions and clarifications regarding the representation of this path in terms of equations, indicating some unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the transition from the equation of a plane to the representation of a great circle, as well as the assumptions made about the geometric properties involved.

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Refer to "2.jpg", it said that the shortest path on the surface of a sphere is Ay-Bx=z , which is a plane passing through the center of the sphere. I cannot really understand about this. Does it mean that the shortest path is a ring that connects two points with its center at the center of the sphere?
 

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It actually says the geodesic is the intersection of a plane through the center with the spherical surface. This is a great circle, as it says.
 
Am I right to say that the intersection of a plane through the center of a sphere is a ring(circle), and the short arc of this ring(circle) which pass through the two points is the shortest path?
 
cxcxcx0505 said:
Am I right to say that the intersection of a plane through the center of a sphere is a ring(circle), and the short arc of this ring(circle) which pass through the two points is the shortest path?

The intersection of a plane through the center of a sphere with its surface, embedded in a higher dimensional space (as the reference you cite presents it), is a ring - a great circle. So yes, you are essentially right. Also, you are correct that the shorter arc is the shortest possible distance.
 
Thanks PAllen.
 
I have another question, why the solution comes out is an equation of a plane and not an equation of a ring(circle)?
 
cxcxcx0505 said:
I have another question, why the solution comes out is an equation of a plane and not an equation of a ring(circle)?

They first get the great circle solution purely in terms of two angular coordinates on the sphere's surface. Then they derive that it is the intersection of plane through the center with the sphere.
 
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Okie, I get it, many thanks for explaining.
 

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