Calculus theory proof- Suppose a is irrational, prove√(1+a) is irrational.

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The problem involves proving that if \( a \) is an irrational number, then \( \sqrt{1+a} \) is also irrational. The subject area pertains to number theory and properties of rational and irrational numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using proof by contradiction, with one suggesting to assume \( \sqrt{1+a} \) is rational and explore the implications. Another participant shares their reasoning process, leading to a contradiction regarding the rationality of \( a \).

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the proof and whether the steps taken are valid. Some participants express uncertainty about the conclusions drawn, while others confirm the logical flow of the argument.

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Participants are navigating the formal structure of a proof and questioning the assumptions made about the rationality of numbers involved. There is a focus on ensuring the validity of the reasoning without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Suppose a is irrational, prove√(1+a) is irrational.


Homework Equations



A number is rational if it can be expressed as p/q, p,q integers with q≠0

The Attempt at a Solution



I can reason through it intuitively but not sure how to demonstrate it formally. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated
 
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I think you can use a proof by contradiction here. Assume you can write sqrt(1 + a) as p/q with p and q integers and see what happens.
 
that was sort of my attempt at a solution. This is what I've got now.
Assume a irrational, but √(1+a) is rational.
Then √(1+a) = p/q for p,q integers q≠0.
1+a = p^2/q^2 → a = p^2/q^2 - 1 → (p^2- q^2)/q^2
Since p,q integers, p^2-q^2 and q^2 must be integers.
Thus a must also be rational by definition, a contradiction.
Thus if a is rational, √(1+a) is rational. The contrapositive is equivalent.
Therefore if a is irrational, √(1+a) is irrational.

Is this all valid and a valid conclusion? Thanks again!
 
math-help-me said:
that was sort of my attempt at a solution. This is what I've got now.
Assume a irrational, but √(1+a) is rational.
Then √(1+a) = p/q for p,q integers q≠0.
1+a = p^2/q^2 → a = p^2/q^2 - 1 → (p^2- q^2)/q^2
Since p,q integers, p^2-q^2 and q^2 must be integers.
Thus a must also be rational by definition, a contradiction.
Correct up to this point.

Thus if a is rational, √(1+a) is rational.
No, it's the other way around. If [itex]\sqrt{1+a}[/itex] is rational, then [itex]a[/itex] is rational. This is exactly what you just proved.

And therefore:
The contrapositive is equivalent.
Therefore if a is irrational, √(1+a) is irrational.!
 
suppose that a was irrational, but √(1+a) = r was rational.

what can you say, then, about r2?
 

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