Prove that a^(1/n) is an integer or is irrational

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The discussion revolves around proving that for positive integers a and n, the expression a^(1/n) is either an integer or irrational. Participants are exploring the implications of this statement and examining the reasoning behind their proofs.

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  • Participants attempt to prove the statement by considering cases where a^(1/n) can be expressed as a fraction. They question the validity of their assumptions and explore the implications of contradictions arising from their proofs.

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There is an active exploration of the conditions under which a^(1/n) can be an integer or irrational. Some participants have identified contradictions in their reasoning and are seeking clarification on the connections between their hypotheses and the outcomes. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of rational and irrational numbers in this context.

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Participants are working within the constraints of proving the statement without providing complete solutions, and there is an acknowledgment of prior knowledge regarding proofs of irrationality from class discussions.

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Homework Statement


Let a and n be positive integers. Prove that a^(1/n) is either an integer or is irrational.

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Proof:
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then
a = (a^(1/n))^n = x^n/y^n is NOT an integer since y^n does not divide x^n. However, this is a contradiction as we declared a to be a positive integer.
Thus, a^(1/n) must be an integer.

However, is neglecting the important part of irrationality.
In my proof, I have convinced myself that a^(1/n) is an integer. But this is obviously not true as 4^(1/3) is irrational.
Where did I go wrong?

Perhaps there is another case?
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Let a and n be positive integers. Prove that a^(1/n) is either an integer or is irrational.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Proof:
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then
a = (a^(1/n))^n = x^n/y^n is NOT an integer since y^n does not divide x^n. However, this is a contradiction as we declared a to be a positive integer.
Thus, a^(1/n) must be an integer.

However, is neglecting the important part of irrationality.
In my proof, I have convinced myself that a^(1/n) is an integer. But this is obviously not true as 4^(1/3) is irrational.
Where did I go wrong?

Perhaps there is another case?
Looks ok until :"Thus, a^(1/n) must be an integer." Look more carefully at which hypothesis led to a contradiction.
 
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So the hypothesis that led to the contradiction is "if a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x"

This seems to imply that y does divide x. But the first if statement shows that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.

Perhaps you are telling me that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then we have an irrational number.
Is that the connection that I was missing?
 
RJLiberator said:
So the hypothesis that led to the contradiction is "if a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x"

This seems to imply that y does divide x. But the first if statement shows that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.

Perhaps you are telling me that If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then we have an irrational number.
Is that the connection that I was missing?
Correct, a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x leads to a contradiction.

Which kind of real numbers can not be expressed as x/y where y does not divide x? (Although you didn't state it explicitly, I assume that x and y are integers.)
 
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Which kind of real numbers can not be expressed as x/y where y does not divide x?
Irrational numbers!

Proof:
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y divides x, then we have an integer.
If a^(1/n) = x/y where y does not divide x, then
a = (a^(1/n))^n = x^n/y^n is NOT an integer since y^n does not divide x^n. However, this is a contradiction as we declared a to be a positive integer.
And so a^(1/n) cannot be expressed as a rational number or an integer, therefore it is irrational.
end.

So we have covered both possibilities and showed the routes to an integer and to an irrational number.
 
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Hi again, RJ:If you want to generalize this, you can use the proof of the irrationality of ## \sqrt 2 ## to show that the n-th root of ##p/q## is rational only if ##p/q =a^{nj}/b^{nk} ## for integers ## a,b,n,j,k ##. Or it is just a good result to know, to keep handy, even without a proof.
 
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Yes, We went over that proof in class prior to this homework question. I also noticed it elsewhere on the web when I checked in with this problem.

Seems like a highly popular proof to know.
 
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Yes, We went over that proof in class prior to this homework question. I also noticed it elsewhere on the web when I checked in with this problem.

Seems like a highly popular proof to know.
Yes, I see it as a fun combo of number theory and Calculus/Analysis, which one may believe at first have little overlap.
 
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