Can a Differential Equation Describe the Prime Counting Function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of formulating a differential equation to describe the prime counting function, \(\pi(x)\). Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including the use of differential equations and connections to the zeta function, while also considering the implications of the nature of \(\pi(x)\) as a step function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a differential equation of the form \(f(x)y'' + g(x)y' + h(x)y = u(x)\) can exist for \(\pi(x)\) and inquires about any theorems that might prohibit such a formulation.
  • Another participant notes that \(\pi(x)\) is a step function, indicating that its derivative is zero except at prime numbers, where it is undefined.
  • A reference to the work of Lagarias and Odlyzko is made, suggesting that their analytic method for computing \(\pi(x)\) might be relevant to the discussion.
  • One participant proposes considering a differential system that could yield solutions related to the real or imaginary parts of the zeta function on the critical line, rather than focusing solely on \(\pi(x)\).
  • A participant claims to have found a differential equation for \(\pi(x)\), specifically for its inverse, based on patterns observed in the sieving process of numbers, although they acknowledge the lack of strict proofs due to their background in physics.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the rigor of the physicist's approach and suggests that if a continuous framework is considered, complex numbers might be more appropriate. They also raise the possibility of a discrete analog through difference equations and speculate on hidden variables influencing the distribution of primes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views on the feasibility of using differential equations to describe \(\pi(x)\), with some expressing skepticism and others proposing potential methods. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of \(\pi(x)\) and the applicability of differential equations versus difference equations. The discussion also reflects varying degrees of mathematical rigor and background among participants.

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Can a differential equation for [tex]\pi (x)[/tex] (prime number counting function ) exist?..for example of the form

[tex]f(x)y'' +g(x)y' +h(x)y = u(x)[/tex] where the functions f,g,h and u

are known, and with the initial value problem [tex]y(2)= 0[/tex] for example...or is there any theorem forbidding it?..

By the way do you Number theoritis use Numerical methods ? (to solve diophantine equations, or Integral equations of first kind involving important functions) that,s all...

-In fact for every Green function of Any operator if we put:

[tex]\sum_ p L[G(x,p)] = \pi ' (x)[/tex] :rolleyes: :rolleyes: the problem is if some valuable info can be obtained from here
 
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pi(x) is a step function, it's derivative is zero everywhere except at primes where it is undefined.
 
You are perhaps thinking of Lagarias and Odlyzko?

J. C. Lagarias and A. M. Odlyzko, Computing pi(x): An analytic method, Journal of Algorithms, Vol. 8 (1987), pp. 173-191.
 
How about this: Rather than looking at [itex]\pi(x)[/itex], how about considering what type of differential system would have as one or more of its solutions either the real or imaginary part of the zeta function on the critical line?
 
Yes, I have found one

Dear eljose,
in a paper recently posted to a preprint server, I show how to find a Diff.
equation for Pi(x). Actually is a d.e. for the inverse of Pi(x). It is based in the fact that the sieving process produce symmetrical patterns between sieved a non-sieved numbers in N. The paper is non-technical because I am a physicist. I give no strict proofs. You can read the details in,
http://www.ma.utexas.edu/mp_arc/c/06/06-314.pdf

regards

Imre
 
imre mikoss said:
Dear eljose,
in a paper recently posted to a preprint server, I show how to find a Diff.
equation for Pi(x). Actually is a d.e. for the inverse of Pi(x). It is based in the fact that the sieving process produce symmetrical patterns between sieved a non-sieved numbers in N. The paper is non-technical because I am a physicist. I give no strict proofs. You can read the details in,
http://www.ma.utexas.edu/mp_arc/c/06/06-314.pdf

regards

Imre

I'll take a look at that. I'm not sure I am obliged to let a physicist skip out on rigor though. :wink:

On the original post, why a differential equation? If you are going continuous then I would think you want to consider the complex numbers as your domain and range. But, why would there not be a discrete analog in the realm of difference equations? The question is really asking if there are hidden variables behind the distribution of primes. I am inclined to think yes maybe, but that is based on very incomplete knowledge of some of the work of those how study ensembles of random matrices.
 

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