Can a direction cosine squared be negative?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between direction cosines and angles formed by a line with the coordinate axes. The original poster presents a scenario where a line makes angles T and U with the x, y, and z axes, leading to an equation involving sine and cosine squared values.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the equations provided, questioning the validity of the values derived for cos^2(T) and cos^2(U). There is a focus on whether the original equations are set up correctly and the consequences of obtaining a negative value for cos^2(U).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising concerns about the correctness of the original equations and the implications of the results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the validity of the original problem setup.

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Participants note potential mistakes in the textbook and question the assumptions underlying the problem, particularly regarding the maximum values of sine and cosine functions. There are references to related multiple-choice questions that also yield negative values for direction cosines, suggesting a broader issue with the problem statements.

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Homework Statement


A line makes some angle T with each of x and z axis, and angle U with y-axis so that sin^2(U)=3sin^2(T).

Homework Equations


2cos^2(T)+cos^2(U)=1 ...(i)
cos^2(x)+sin^2(x)=1

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above two eqns. give us the correct value for cos^2(T) which is 3/5 as per my textbook but plugging it back into (i) gives us cos^2(U)= -1/5. Am I wrong somewhere or is it a mistake in the book?
 
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Krushnaraj Pandya said:

Homework Statement


A line makes some angle T with each of x and z axis, and angle U with y-axis so that sin^2(U)=3sin^2(T).

Homework Equations


2cos^2(T)+cos^2(U)=1 ...(i)
cos^2(x)+sin^2(x)=1

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above two eqns. give us the correct value for cos^2(T) which is 3/5 as per my textbook but plugging it back into (i) gives us cos^2(U)= -1/5. Am I wrong somewhere or is it a mistake in the book?

How are you getting ##\cos^2 T = \frac35##? Clearly that is too large, given your first equation.
 
Krushnaraj Pandya said:

Homework Statement


A line makes some angle T with each of x and z axis, and angle U with y-axis so that sin^2(U)=3sin^2(T).

Homework Equations


2cos^2(T)+cos^2(U)=1 ...(i)
cos^2(x)+sin^2(x)=1

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above two eqns. give us the correct value for cos^2(T) which is 3/5 as per my textbook but plugging it back into (i) gives us cos^2(U)= -1/5. Am I wrong somewhere or is it a mistake in the book?
Of course for ##\ \cos(U) \ ## having a real number value, its square cannot be negative. Something's wrong.
 
The maximum value of sin2 U is 1, when U = 90°. Then T is ±45° and sin2 T =1/2, so your initial equation must be wrong.
 
PeroK said:
How are you getting ##\cos^2 T = \frac35##? Clearly that is too large, given your first equation.
sin^2(U)=3sin^2(T). is given- change it to cos^2 and it gives us this
 
SammyS said:
Of course for ##\ \cos(U) \ ## having a real number value, its square cannot be negative. Something's wrong.
Must've been a mistake in the book, thank you very much
 
mjc123 said:
The maximum value of sin2 U is 1, when U = 90°. Then T is ±45° and sin2 T =1/2, so your initial equation must be wrong.
Alright, Thank you for your help :D
 
Krushnaraj Pandya said:
Must've been a mistake in the book, thank you very much
Does the book give a result for ##\ \cos(U) \,,\text{or } \cos^2(U) \,?##
 
Krushnaraj Pandya said:
sin^2(U)=3sin^2(T). is given- change it to cos^2 and it gives us this

Where did the ##3/5## come from?
 
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PeroK said:
Where did the ##3/5## come from?
Changing the given equation in sin to cos we get 3cos^2(T)-cos^2(U)=2. Using 2Cos^2(T)+Cos^2(U)=1 we have 2 equations in two variables, adding both gives cos^2(T)=3/5
 
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SammyS said:
Does the book give a result for ##\ \cos(U) \,,\text{or } \cos^2(U) \,?##
The book says cos^2(T)=3/5. which gives a negative value of cos^2(U)
 
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Krushnaraj Pandya said:
Using 2Cos^2(T)+Cos^2(U)=1

Where does this equation come from?
 
  • #13
SammyS said:
Does the book give a result for ##\ \cos(U) \,,\text{or } \cos^2(U) \,?##
PeroK said:
Where did the ##3/5## come from?
mjc123 said:
The maximum value of sin2 U is 1, when U = 90°. Then T is ±45° and sin2 T =1/2, so your initial equation must be wrong.
There seems to be another anomaly, which is perhaps connected- there is a mcq saying- "A line OP through origin is inclined at 30 and 45 degrees respectively to OX and OY. The angle at which it is inclined to OZ is given by?" And the correct option given is "Not any angle" even though using the same equation ∑cos^2(θ)=1 gives us 3/4 + 1/2 +cos^2(x)=1 which again gives a negative value of cos^2(x)
 
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Krushnaraj Pandya said:
There seems to be another anomaly, which is perhaps connected- there is a mcq saying- "A line OP through origin is inclined at 30 and 45 degrees respectively to OX and OY. The angle at which it is inclined to OZ is given by?" And the correct option given is "Not any angle" even though using the same equation ∑cos^2(θ)=1 gives us 3/4 + 1/2 +cos^2(x)=1 which again gives a negative value of cos^2(x)

Okay, I understand now. You can see that the two cones implied by those angles do not intersect, so no such line exists.
 
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PeroK said:
Okay, I understand now. You can see that the two cones implied by those angles do not intersect, so no such line exists.
Is that the case for the original question as well? Or perhaps they just forgot this relation and only wanted to test if I knew sum of direction cosines is 1? Because the observation that one of it is negative is a secondary one derived after getting the answer in the first place and wasn't noticed by the question-setter
 
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Krushnaraj Pandya said:
Is that the case for the original question as well? Or perhaps they just forgot this relation and only wanted to test if I knew sum of direction cosines is 1? Because the observation that one of it is negative is a secondary one derived after getting the answer in the first place and wasn't noticed by the question-setter

Your guess is as good as mine.
 
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PeroK said:
Your guess is as good as mine.
Thank you very much, I am quite sure now that that is the case
 

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