Can a Gravitational 'Gun' Accelerate Objects?

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The discussion explores the concept of using gravitational forces to accelerate objects, specifically considering the feasibility of a gravitational "gun" that could achieve this without traditional methods like orbits or collisions. Participants examine theoretical arrangements of matter that might allow for such acceleration, contrasting it with existing techniques like gravitational slingshots.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that special arrangements of matter could theoretically accelerate objects using gravitational forces, although practical implementation remains uncertain.
  • Others argue that if all mass in the system is at rest, the gravitational field will not change, leading to the conclusion that an object would either fall into an orbit or collide with the arrangement.
  • A participant suggests that a particle could oscillate through an annulus of matter, potentially escaping if the halves of the annulus are moved apart quickly enough, though this raises questions about feasibility.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that attaching rockets to the object being accelerated may be more practical than manipulating the annulus itself, considering the gravitational attraction between the two.
  • Some participants question the distinction between the proposed gravitational gun and simply dropping an object, suggesting that both involve gravitational forces.
  • References to gravitational slingshots in aerospace engineering are made, with some participants noting that this method has already been mentioned and dismissed in the context of the original proposal.
  • There is a mention of a trebuchet, indicating that while gravity provides energy, the acceleration of the projectile is achieved through other forces, which may relate to the discussion on gravitational acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the feasibility of a gravitational gun, with no consensus reached on whether such a mechanism could exist or how it might function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practicality and theoretical implications of the proposed concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific arrangements of matter and unresolved questions about the dynamics involved in the proposed scenarios, such as the effects of gravitational attraction and the mechanics of the annulus.

LAP3141
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Hello,

Special arrangements of charged material can be used to accelerate charged objects or particles, e.g. a cathode ray tube.

I am just wondering if it would be somehow possible, in principle if not in practice, to accelerate objects with gravitational force using special arrangements of matter. I am thinking of some sort of gravitational "gun."

Usually the gravitational force pulls objects together, but could there be some special arrangement of matter where an object can be accelerated without colliding or going into an orbit?

Actually, I don't believe that it would be possible but maybe I am just not imagining the right arrangement or distribution of matter.

The technique of the gravitational "slingshot" can be used to accelerate spacecraft but I am thinking of something else where an object, initially at rest, would be attracted by an arrangement of matter, also at rest, and accelerated to some final velocity and then just travel away independently.
 
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If all mass is at rest, and stays that way, then the gravitational field will not change. A particle which starts at rest within that system will start to fall but will not exist the gun. At best, it will find some "orbit" that it will follow - at every point maintaining the same total for kinetic and potential energy. At worse, it will hit part of the gun.
 
.Scott said:
If all mass is at rest, and stays that way, then the gravitational field will not change. A particle which starts at rest within that system will start to fall but will not exist the gun. At best, it will find some "orbit" that it will follow - at every point maintaining the same total for kinetic and potential energy. At worse, it will hit part of the gun.
If one had a pair of orbiting massive bodies and injected a test object, it could be ejected with increased velocity -- a gravitational slingshot. Hopelessly impractical for a hand-held pistol, of course.
 
jbriggs444 said:
If one had a pair of orbiting massive bodies and injected a test object, it could be ejected with increased velocity -- a gravitational slingshot. Hopelessly impractical for a hand-held pistol, of course.
The OP mentioned that is his last paragraph - and prohibited it.
 
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.Scott said:
At best, it will find some "orbit" that it will follow - at every point maintaining the same total for kinetic and potential energy.

Consider an annulus (ring) of matter and a particle located on the central axis of the annulus but some distance away from the plane of the annulus.

Initially the particle will "fall" toward and then through the annulus, with maximum velocity as it passes through the annulus plane. The particle should oscillate between both sides of the annulus.

But as the particle moves through the plane of the annulus, if we then rapidly split and move each half of the annulus away from the central axis, the particle will travel a greater distance outward along the axis. Could we ever separate the halves of the annulus far enough (not infinity) so that an "escape" is possible?
 
LAP3141 said:
But as the particle moves through the plane of the annulus, if we then rapidly split and move each half of the annulus away from the central axis, the particle will travel a greater distance outward along the axis. Could we ever separate the halves of the annulus far enough (not infinity) so that an "escape" is possible?

Certainly. You could attach rockets to the annulus and push it backwards, away from the accelerated object, or even radially outwards, but it's far more practical to attach the rockets to the object instead. That way you get the advantage of having the rockets and their fuel accelerated along with the object, which provides a large efficiency advantage for the rockets. You also don't have to move your giant annulus.

Note that the annulus will be attracted towards the object as well, so you'll have to either counter this motion somehow, or allow for this motion in your design and implementation.
 
How is this different from dropping something? If you drop a cannonball from the top of a tower, is this not a "gravity gun" firing the ball down?
 
In aerospace engineering and planet orbital mechanics, gravity assist or swing by is dealt with as gravitational slingshot.
That maneuver is used for changing moving direction of space crafts and also accelerating or decelerating space crafts applying it for moving planet forward or backward. Best.
 
sweet springs said:
In aerospace engineering and planet orbital mechanics, gravity assist or swing by is dealt with as gravitational slingshot.
That maneuver is used for changing moving direction of space crafts and also accelerating or decelerating space crafts applying it for moving planet forward or backward. Best.

that has already been mentioned way back in the OP and dismissed
 
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russ_watters said:

The OP asked for acceleration of objects with gravitational force. In case of the Trebuchet gravity provides the energy but the projectile is accelerated by electromagnetic forces.
 

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