Can a Non-Decreasing Function Have a Limit at Infinity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of non-decreasing functions as they approach infinity, specifically whether such functions can have a limit at infinity. Participants explore various properties of increasing and non-decreasing functions, considering boundedness and the implications for limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if a function is increasing, the limit as x approaches infinity can only be infinity, negative infinity, or a real number.
  • One participant argues that a non-decreasing function cannot have a limit of negative infinity and that if it is bounded, it converges to a real number, while if unbounded, it approaches positive infinity.
  • Another participant questions what other limits could exist beyond those mentioned, emphasizing that the function maps from the real plane to the real plane.
  • One participant states that a function could have no limit at all, providing examples such as sin(x) and xsin(x) to illustrate functions that oscillate and do not settle at a limit.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original query pertains to non-decreasing functions, not strictly increasing ones, indicating a need to consider this distinction in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the limits of non-decreasing functions, with some asserting that such functions cannot approach negative infinity, while others suggest that limits may not exist at all. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of non-decreasing behavior on limits at infinity.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical properties, such as the least upper bound property and Heine's Theorem, but do not reach a consensus on how these apply to non-decreasing functions specifically. There is also ambiguity regarding the definitions of increasing versus non-decreasing functions.

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I read that "if f : R -> R is an increasing function, then limit as x tend to infinity of f(x) is either infinity, minus infinity or a real number". f an increasing function means { x < y } => { f(x) < or = f(y) }.

How do I prove this (if it is true)? Can I apply this to a function g : R -> [0,1]?

P.S.
I am not looking for a precise proof. A loose discussion of the way to prove this would be fine.

Thanks!
 
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Actually, such a function cannot have a limit of negative infinity. If the function is bounded (there exist a number M such that f(x)< M for all x) then f(x) converges to a real number. If it is unbounded, then it goes to positive infinity.

How you would prove that depends on what you have available. Can you use the "least upper bound property"- that every nonempty set of real numbers with an upper bound has a least upper bound? If so then: Since f(x)< M for all x, the set {f(x)} has M as upper bound and so has a least upper bound, [itex]\alpha[/itex]. You can use an "[itex]\epsilon[/itex], N" argument to show that [itex]\alpha[/itex] is the limit.

If the function is not bounded, then, given any Y> 0, there exist x0 such that f(x0)> Y. But then if x1> x0, because f is increasing, f(x1)> f(x0)> Y.
 
What other limits can there possibly be, other than infinity, minus infinity, or a real number?

The function obviously is from the real plane to the real plane...so there can be no other limits.

Are you perhaps asking to prove that such a limit exists?
 
There can be no limit at all.

For example sin(x) has no limit at infinity (proven simply with Heine Theorem)

As also xsin(x), although it seems it goes to infinity, it will actually oscillate between very large negative numbers and very large positive numbers (to prove this, Heine's Theorem won't work, and the resort is the original definition of the limit)
 
HallsofIvy said:
Actually, such a function cannot have a limit of negative infinity. If the function is bounded (there exist a number M such that f(x)< M for all x) then f(x) converges to a real number. If it is unbounded, then it goes to positive infinity.

Great idea. However, I am terribly sorry if I didn't make it clear that what I meant by "increasing" is not "strictly increasing". Perhaps I should have mention that f is non-decreasing in the first place!

The case that I have trouble with is when f is NOT strictly increasing and yet IS non-decreasing.
 

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