Can a Particle Sliding on a Rotating Rod Decrease in Distance Over Time?

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of a particle sliding on a rotating rod, described by the equation ##r=Ae^{-\gamma t}+Be^{+\gamma t}##, where ##\gamma=\sqrt{\omega}##. Participants explore the implications of initial conditions on the particle's motion, specifically how certain conditions can lead to a continual decrease in distance from the rotation axis. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding forces in both inertial and co-rotating frames, emphasizing the role of normal forces and the distinction between fictitious and real forces in analyzing the system.

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  • Understanding of polar coordinates in mechanics
  • Familiarity with Newton's laws of motion
  • Knowledge of inertial and co-rotating reference frames
  • Basic concepts of centripetal and Coriolis forces
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  • Study the derivation of motion equations in polar coordinates
  • Learn about the effects of fictitious forces in rotating frames
  • Explore the implications of initial conditions on dynamic systems
  • Investigate the relationship between angular velocity and radial motion
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  • #31
Pranav-Arora said:
For radial direction,
##F_r=ma_r \Rightarrow r\omega^2=\ddot{r}##. The solution of this differential is asked in the question.
To do the first part of the question, go from here.

edit: Oh wait, you said you did this bit already. sorry about that.
 
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  • #32
Pranav-Arora said:
:-p
r(0)=A

##r'(t)=-A\omega e^{-\omega t} \Rightarrow r'(0)=-A\omega##

Is this enough? I don't have the final answers.

You can also write that in case r'(0)=-ωr(0) the particle moves inward, that is r(t) decreases all the time . Note, it is interesting. The initial radial speed is the same as the azimuthal one...


ehild
 
  • #33
ehild said:
You can also write that in case r'(0)=-ωr(0) the particle moves inward, that is r(t) decreases all the time . Note, it is interesting. The initial radial speed is the same as the azimuthal one...


ehild

Thanks ehild! :smile:
 
  • #34
Hi everyone, sorry but i am a bit confused as to why radial acceleration is set to 0. Isn't the friction force from the rod pushing the mass inward, accounting for radial acceleration?
 
  • #35
kojo90 said:
Hi everyone, sorry but i am a bit confused as to why radial acceleration is set to 0. Isn't the friction force from the rod pushing the mass inward, accounting for radial acceleration?

What friction?
 
  • #36
well, just like the rod produces a perpendicular contact force (N), i would assume, as the ball wants to move radially out, there would be some friction involved. Or does the fact that the problem says, "slide along the rod freely" tell us to ignore this?
 
  • #37
Yes, "slide freely" means "no friction".
 

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