Can a person slow down their free fall by pushing a heavy box?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of a person falling from a height while holding a heavy box, exploring whether and how the individual could slow down their free fall by manipulating the box. The scope includes theoretical reasoning, conceptual exploration, and some mathematical considerations regarding forces and momentum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that pushing the box downwards could result in an upward acceleration of the person just before impact.
  • Others argue that the timing of when to push the box matters, especially in relation to the absence of drag forces.
  • One participant posits that if enough momentum is imparted to the box, it could theoretically stop the person's fall just before impact.
  • Another participant mentions that to minimize impact velocity, the box should be thrown downwards as late as possible.
  • There is a suggestion that using leg muscles to jump off the box at the last moment could exert a greater force than using arm muscles.
  • A participant raises the idea of calculating the force needed to reduce the fall velocity to zero.
  • Some participants reference external resources, such as a simulator and a Mythbusters episode, to support their points.
  • Concerns are expressed about the limitations of human strength in effectively slowing down a fall using the box.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of timing and the mechanics involved in manipulating the box during free fall. There is no consensus on the best approach or the feasibility of significantly slowing down the fall.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the strength of the individual and the characteristics of the box (e.g., drag coefficient) are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the proposed scenarios.

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hello,

consider a man falling from a roof with a heavy box in his hands. what should he do with the box?
 
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fk08 said:
hello,

consider a man falling from a roof with a heavy box in his hands. what should he do with the box?

Hold it over his head!

Nahh... just kidding. I would push it downwards and thus accelerate myself upwards shortly before impact.
 
but why shortly before impact?
 
Because (assuming that the box has the same drag coefficient as the person) that will maximize the energy lost to drag. Of course, it will have to be a very tall building for drag to matter much.
 
consider that case without drag
 
Then the timing does not matter.
 
DaleSpam said:
Then the timing does not matter.
I think timing does matter without considering drag.

Think of the extreme case: You are strong enough to give the box so much momentum downwards, that you stop falling just before impact. Applying the same momentum to the box at the begin of the fall will just make you fly higher and fall even deeper.
 
Good point. I think you are right, but I would have to work it out to be sure.
 
DaleSpam said:
Good point. I think you are right, but I would have to work it out to be sure.

Here a simulator (the box is just like rocket fuel):
http://lander.dunnbypaul.net/
 
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to minimize the "imapact velocity" one should through the box downwards as late as possible. this can be easy shown with a velocity vs time diagram and considering, that v*t is constant.
 
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ya..i think you should drop it as late as possible assuming you have enough strength in the end. I take it that you have nothing but the box, so once you come to stop momentarily after throwing, you should really make sure you don't fall long enough
 
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You can exert a far larger force using your leg muscles than using your arm muscles. While in free fall, you should put your feet on the box and jump at the last moment.
 
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It would be interesting to calculate the force that is needed to slow down the velocity to zero.
 
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vibjwb said:
This may be helpful to you
http://mythbustersresults.com/episode17
This seems to be close to what are doing
Sure, humans are to weak. It is hard enough to jump off the ground with the massive Earth as support. Pushing down a box or even an elevator cabin might give you enough force to cancel out the gravitational acceleration for a moment, but you would need much more to achieve an upwards acceleration that would slow you down significantly.
 

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