Can a Sigma Sum be Integrated with Fubini's Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of sigma sums, particularly in the context of Fubini's theorem and the interchangeability of sums and integrals. Participants explore the conditions under which this interchange can occur, focusing on both finite and infinite sums.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that integrating a sigma sum can be done term by term, similar to other sums.
  • Others caution that this approach is not universally applicable, especially for infinite sums that do not converge uniformly.
  • A participant introduces the idea of when the orders of a sum and an integral can be interchanged, referencing a specific example involving functions defined in terms of a parameter.
  • It is noted that ensuring the interchangeability of sums and integrals requires careful consideration of conditions, with a reference to Fubini's theorem as a sufficient condition in certain cases.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions under which sigma sums can be integrated term by term, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of these methods.

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Limitations include the dependence on the uniform convergence of infinite sums and the specific conditions required for the interchange of sums and integrals, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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How would you Integrate a Sigma Sum?
 
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If you with a sigma sum means a sum written with the big sigma symbol, you integrate it just like any other sum.
 
arildno said:
If you with a sigma sum means a sum written with the big sigma symbol, you integrate it just like any other sum.
I.e., term by term.
 
thanks.
 
Mark44 said:
I.e., term by term.
Not necessarily, but usually beneficially! :smile:
 
On a related note, an interesting question to consider would be when the orders of a sum and an integral can be interchanged.
 
what?
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
On a related note, an interesting question to consider would be when the orders of a sum and an integral can be interchanged.

Exactly. If it's an infinite sum and it doesn't converge uniformly, then we cannot do so term by term. The usual example is from Kresyzig:

Let: [itex]u_m(x)=mxe^{-mx^2}[/itex]

and consider:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} f_n(x)[/tex]

where [itex]f_n(x)=u_m(x)-u_{m-1}(x)[/itex]

then:

[tex]\int_0^1 \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}f_n(x) dx\neq \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \int_0^1 f_n(x)dx[/tex]
 
Of course you have to make sure the sum and integral are actually interchangeable because this is not always the case. The sufficient condition is a special case of Fubini's theorem.
 

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