Can a Substitution Solve a Linear 2nd Order ODE with Non-Constant Coefficients?

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The discussion revolves around solving a linear second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) with non-constant coefficients, specifically the equation y''x^{2} + 4xy' - y = ln(x). Participants explore various methods and substitutions to approach the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the quadratic characteristic equation and variation of parameters, noting challenges due to the non-constant coefficients. There is consideration of substitutions, including u = ln(x), to simplify the equation. Some participants suggest finding solutions to the associated homogeneous equation first.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering suggestions for substitutions and methods to simplify the problem. There is recognition of the complexity involved in calculations, and multiple approaches are being explored without a clear consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the potential relevance of "Euler-type" or "Equipotential" equations, indicating that the problem may be part of a broader topic covered in textbooks or recent notes.

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Homework Statement


[tex]y''x^{2}[/tex] + 4xy' -y = ln(x)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I considered the quadratic characteristic equation, but it won't work because of the x^2
-I also tried variation of parameters.
so i have v = y' and v'=y'' but i have no idea what i would sub when I get to y.

any ideas?
 
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Hi kyin01! :smile:

Try changing x

look for a u(x) such that the equation becomes something simple in dy/du and d2y/du2. :wink:
 
kyin01 said:

Homework Statement


[tex]y''x^{2}[/tex] + 4xy' -y = ln(x)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I considered the quadratic characteristic equation, but it won't work because of the x^2
-I also tried variation of parameters.
so i have v = y' and v'=y'' but i have no idea what i would sub when I get to y.

any ideas?

I think the standard way is to first find the solutions of the assoc. homogeneous DE [tex]y''x^{2}[/tex] + 4xy' -y =0 using Cauchy Euler DE by letting [tex]y=x^{m}[/tex].

Then use variation of parameter etc. to find the particular solution.
 
Yes, although that can make the calculations pretty complicated. As tiny-time suggested, the substitution u= ln(x) will change any "Euler-type" or "Equipotential" equation to a very simple equation with constant coefficients.

I rather suspect that if kyin01 were to check his recent notes or textbook where this problem is given, he would find a discussion of "Euler-type" or "Equipotential" equations. (The name varies from textbook to textbook.)
 

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