Solving a second-order differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation of the form y'' - ((y')^2)/y + (2(y')^2)/y^2 - ((y')^4)/y^4 = 0, with initial conditions y(0) = 1 and y'(0) = 0. Participants express uncertainty about how to approach this type of ordinary differential equation (ODE) and share various insights and methods they have considered.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of an ansatz y = e^(kt) and its implications for the initial conditions. Some suggest exploring the reduction of the equation to a first-order form by substituting y' = p, while others reflect on the nature of the equation and its non-linear characteristics.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering hints and methods for approaching the problem, such as numerical solutions and algebraic manipulations. There is a recognition of the complexity of the equation, and some participants are exploring different interpretations and potential solutions without reaching a consensus.

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Some participants note the initial conditions and their implications for the solutions, while others mention the challenges posed by the non-linear nature of the equation. There is also mention of a potential typo in the original equation, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

  • #31
haruspex said:
You seem to have squared part of ##\frac{du}{dt}## twice. The left hand term above should reduce to 1/2.

I am sorry I should apologize because the solution to our ODE is not a geodesic, because we are solving the wrong ODE.

Not solving this problem has been eating me up. So, I revisited our previous calculations tonight, made sure to be extra careful not to make errors and ended up with the following. I still have not learned how to write LaTex equations, so these were typed in Microsoft Word, and these will not show up in quoted messages.

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I am unable to solve this nonlinear second order ODE by any method I am familiar with.

Is anyone able to compute it using Mathematica or Wolfram Αlpha?

Thank you.
 
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  • #32
Acccording to DSolve in Mathematica, the fearful ODE $$\frac{d^2u}{dt^2}=\frac{1}{u^3}-\Big(\frac{u^4+1}{u^5}\Big)\Big(\frac{du}{dt}\Big)^2$$
has "closed form" solutions given by...

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  • #33
By using DSolve with initial value conditions,

$$\frac{d^2u}{dt^2}=\frac{1}{u^3}-\Big(\frac{u^4+1}{u^5}\Big)\Big(\frac{du}{dt}\Big)^2\Rightarrow u(t)=\sqrt{1+t^2}$$
 
  • #34
(g) we plug ##u(t)## into the unit speed equation to find
$$\frac{dv}{dt}=\Big(\frac{t^4+t^2+1}{(1+t^2)^3}\Big)^{\frac{1}{2}}$$

which is a separable equation, when trying to compute
$$v(t)=\int \Big(\frac{t^4+t^2+1}{(1+t^2)^3}\Big)^{\frac{1}{2}}dt$$

we cannot find an explicit closed form solution
 

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