Can a Train Be Stopped Without Crate Slippage at High Speeds?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a railroad flatcar loaded with crates and the conditions under which the train can be stopped without causing the crates to slide. The focus is on the role of static friction and the requirements for solving the problem, including the potential need for mass in calculations.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the necessity of mass to solve the problem, suggesting that it may have been omitted by the professor.
  • Another participant argues that mass is not needed, indicating that it can be treated as a variable that cancels out in the equations.
  • Multiple participants request direct assistance in solving the problem, which is met with reminders about the forum's guidelines regarding homework help.

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There is no consensus on how to approach the problem, as some participants believe mass is necessary while others assert it is not. Additionally, there is a general agreement on the forum's policy regarding assistance with homework questions.

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The discussion highlights the importance of showing effort before receiving help, as well as the potential ambiguity in the problem due to missing information.

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Students seeking guidance on physics problems involving friction and motion, as well as those interested in forum etiquette regarding homework assistance.

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Friction without mass, help!

the question is this as quoted. "A railroad flatcar is loaded with crates having a coefficient of static friction of 0.25 with the floor. if the train is moving at 48 km/h, in how short a distance can the train be stopped at a constant acceleration without causing the crates to slide?"

As far as i can tell, i would need the mass to do this question. maybe I am missing something? this is a problem my professor wrote up so I believe it MAY be possible he forgot to give us mass, but then again I do recall doing something similar to this a while back.

Thanks!
-Sean
 
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seankir92 said:
the question is this as quoted. "A railroad flatcar is loaded with crates having a coefficient of static friction of 0.25 with the floor. if the train is moving at 48 km/h, in how short a distance can the train be stopped at a constant acceleration without causing the crates to slide?"

As far as i can tell, i would need the mass to do this question. maybe I am missing something? this is a problem my professor wrote up so I believe it MAY be possible he forgot to give us mass, but then again I do recall doing something similar to this a while back.

Thanks!
-Sean

You don't need the mass. If you don't know it just call it 'm' and work the problem from there. It will cancel from your answer.
 
could you work the problem for me possibly?
 
seankir92 said:
could you work the problem for me possibly?

No, that's not how the forum works. Dick gave you a very good hint - now try to describe it with equations.
 
seankir92 said:
could you work the problem for me possibly?
As Borek said, that's not how it works here. The Homework Help Guidelines (in the PF rules - https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380) says:
On helping with questions: Any and all assistance given to homework assignments or textbook style exercises should be given only after the questioner has shown some effort in solving the problem. If no attempt is made then the questioner should be asked to provide one before any assistance is given. Under no circumstances should complete solutions be provided to a questioner, whether or not an attempt has been made.
 

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