Can an Astronaut Survive by Throwing a Toolkit in Space?

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario involving an astronaut in space who attempts to return to a space shuttle after being disconnected. The problem involves concepts of momentum and motion in a vacuum, specifically focusing on the astronaut's actions after throwing a toolkit to propel herself back towards the shuttle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of momentum conservation when the astronaut throws the toolkit. Questions arise regarding the direction of velocities and the interpretation of negative values in this context. There is also a request for clarification on how momentum conservation applies when both the astronaut and the toolkit are in motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the nature of momentum and velocity as vectors. Clarifications have been offered regarding the astronaut's movement relative to the toolkit and the implications for momentum conservation. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants expressing improved understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a fictional scenario and are questioning the technical accuracy of the depicted events in a made-for-TV context. There is an emphasis on understanding the physics involved rather than reaching a definitive conclusion about the astronaut's survival.

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Homework Statement


You have been hired to check the technical correctness of an upcoming made-for-TV murder mystery. The mystery takes place in a space shuttle. In one scene, the astronaut's safety line is sabotaged while she is on a space walk, so she is no longer connected to the space shuttle. She checks and finds that her thruster pack has also been damaged and no longer works. She is 200 meters from the shuttle and moving with it. The is, she is not moving with respect to the shuttle. There she is drifting in space with only 4 minutes of air remaining. To get back to the shuttle, she decides to unstrap her 10-kg tool kit and throw it away with all her strength, so that it has a speed of 8 m/s. In the script, she survives, but is this correct? Her mass, including the space suit, is 80 kg. (Yes she does survive)

Homework Equations


p = mv
v = d/t
p = p'

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt:

p = p', initial momentum 0 with respect to space shuttle
0 = m2Vfinal + (mkit)(Vkit)
0 = (70)Vfinal + (10)(8)
Vfinal = -1.14 m/s

V = 1.14 m/s
d = 200m

t = d/t
= 175 s

Time she has = 4 min
= 240 s

Therefore, she does survive.

I'm pretty sure I did it wrong though. Because the negative velocity doesn't make sense. Both the kit and her move in the same direction. Any1 wana help?
 
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Negative velocities are acceptable. Remember, a velocity is a vector so it can be positive or negative. In this case, it just means your moving in the opposite direction (assuming you picked the toolbelt to travel in the positive direction). Of course if you're adding 2 numbers together to get 0 and the mass is always positive, one definitely needs to be negative. The problem looks correct.

Also, the kit and her do NOT move in the same direction. If that were the case, momentum would not be conserved.
 
Pengwuino said:
Negative velocities are acceptable. Remember, a velocity is a vector so it can be positive or negative. In this case, it just means your moving in the opposite direction (assuming you picked the toolbelt to travel in the positive direction). Of course if you're adding 2 numbers together to get 0 and the mass is always positive, one definitely needs to be negative. The problem looks correct.

Also, the kit and her do NOT move in the same direction. If that were the case, momentum would not be conserved.

But say everything is stationary, then she throws the kit, doesn't that cause her to move in the same direction as the throwing movement pulls her forward? I can't really visualize this.
Also, can you expand on why those 2 things moving in same direction would not result in the conservation of momentum? I really need to understand this topic. This is going to be an easy problem compared to the questions our grade 12 teacher puts on the test.
 
ppl k1ll3r said:
But say everything is stationary, then she throws the kit, doesn't that cause her to move in the same direction as the throwing movement pulls her forward? I can't really visualize this.
Also, can you expand on why those 2 things moving in same direction would not result in the conservation of momentum? I really need to understand this topic. This is going to be an easy problem compared to the questions our grade 12 teacher puts on the test.

Ok so everything is stationary, that is the total momentum is 0. Setup your coordinate system with the astronaut at the origin on the x-axis and the direction they want to throw it, let's say the left, along the negative x-axis. When she throws the kit to the left, the kit has momentum p = mv. v here is -8m/s because its going in the negative x-direction. Her momentum would be p = mv = (-8m/s) * (10kg). Now for momentum to be conserved, the total momentum after her throwing it has to equal 0 since that was the momentum before she threw it. In order to make up for this -80 kg*m/s momentum, she needs to have a positive 80 kg*m/s momentum so that they sum to 0 thus conserving momentum. Since her mass is always positive and in this case, 80kg, the velocity must be positive as well.

The way you setup your program is that the direction away from her was positive and the direction towards the shuttle was negative. In my example, the directions were switched (ie she went a positive velocity and the kit went with a negative velocity) but the idea is the same.
 
Thanks, makes sense now.
 

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