Can an Atom Exist Without Electrons?

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The discussion centers on whether an atom can exist without electrons. It is established that certain species, like hydrogen ions (H^+) and alpha particles (He^2+), can exist in a state devoid of electrons, effectively functioning as "electronless" entities. However, the distinction between an atom and a bare nucleus is emphasized, as an atom is defined as a neutral entity with a nucleus surrounded by electrons. The alpha particle, while often thought of as helium, is clarified to be a helium nucleus without electrons, thus not fitting the definition of an atom. The conversation also touches on the challenges of removing electrons from larger atoms and the conditions under which fully ionized states can be achieved, such as in high-energy physics labs or in natural phenomena like the sun. Overall, while it is technically possible to have entities without electrons, they do not qualify as atoms in the traditional sense.
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chem_tr said:
ZapperZ, I am doubtful about this. When you write the alpha particle, ^{4}_{2}He, you'll see that two electrons are present as this compound is neutral and monoatomic. You'd be correct if this compound were a 2+ ion. Or is there something I don't know?

Surely the symbol you quoted refers to The overall number of Nucleons, and the fact that there are two protons, the rest being neutrons, hence 2 protons and 2 neutrons?
 
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I think it is a very trivial and useless question. Everyone I know considers an "atom" to be the bound state of a nucleus (Z) and some number of electrons. It is trivially obvious that bare nuclei can and DO exist, so if you want to call them atoms, go ahead!
 

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