Is Electron Possession a Misleading Concept for Formal Charges?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electron possession in the context of formal charges and its implications for understanding chemical bonding, particularly in nucleophilic reactions. Participants explore the interpretation of electron ownership in both ionic and covalent bonding scenarios, as well as the limitations of this perspective in various chemical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the potential confusion arising from the notion of electrons "belonging" to certain atoms when considering formal charges, particularly in nucleophilic reactions.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of the ownership concept in covalent bonding, suggesting that it may not be physically realistic to think of shared electrons as owned by either atom.
  • A participant acknowledges that while the concept may work for ionic bonding, it complicates the understanding of covalent bonding, where electrons are shared.
  • There is a suggestion that the idea of ownership might be better abandoned for a more rigorous understanding of electron behavior in chemical reactions.
  • One participant notes that the approach of thinking in terms of formal charges is limited in certain mechanisms, such as those involving nonpolar covalent bonds or organometallic complexes.
  • A later reply indicates a shift in perspective, suggesting that the method of thinking about electron possession should be viewed as a useful trick rather than a strict rule.
  • Another participant recommends reading about Bader's "atoms in molecules" method, which may provide further insight into the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the usefulness and accuracy of the concept of electron possession in chemical bonding. There is no consensus on whether this notion should be retained or discarded, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding its applicability across different types of bonding.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the interpretation of formal charges and electron ownership, particularly in complex scenarios like organometallic chemistry and nonpolar covalent bonds. Participants acknowledge the need for careful consideration of definitions and contexts when discussing these concepts.

etotheipi
This isn't a specific question, but more a case of trying to mitigate any potential confusion which might arise in the future. When drawing out curly arrows for mechanisms, and the like, I'm used to thinking about which electrons "belong" to certain atoms (in a book-keeping sense) in order to work out the changes in formal charge. If a nucleophile went to form a bond with another atom, I'd think of something along the lines of "the nucleophile transfers possession of one of its own electrons to the other atom", and this would result in the formal charge of the nucleophile increasing by one, etc.

I was wondering whether this sort of interpretation/internal thought process is common? Of course, we'd need to be slightly careful to clarify exactly what we mean by the electrons an atom "owns", since we might determine this by splitting all of the bonds evenly (i.e. formal charges) or by awarding the electrons to the more electronegative atom (i.e. oxidation numbers).
 
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While that picture may "work" for ionic bonding, how do you picture a covalent bonding, for example, where two atoms "share" that same electron?

It may be fine if you recognize this as simply a matter of "bookeeping". It is another story if you extrapolate this to be physically realistic.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
While that picture may "work" for ionic bonding, how do you picture a covalent bonding, for example, where two atoms "share" that same electron?

It may be fine if you recognize this as simply a matter of "bookeeping". It is another story if you extrapolate this to be physically realistic.

Zz.

In the case of the nucleophile forming a covalent bond, to be accurate we would, like you say, need to picture the electrons as shared.

However, if we talk in terms of formal charges, before the bond formation both of the electrons in the lone pair contributed to the formal charge of the nucleophile. After the bond formation, one electron now counts toward the formal charge of the recipient atom. In a loose, formal charge, sense, the recipient atom has “gained” possession of it.

Though I think I understand what you are getting at; perhaps it would be better in the long run (and for rigour’s sake) to ditch the notion of ownership!
 
This approach works for Lewis acid/base-type situations (including nucleophilic addition), but there are plenty of arrow-pushing mechanisms that involve completely nonpolar covalent bonds exclusively (Diels-Alder comes to mind).

Edit: things get even more complicated with organometallic complexes, where for instance the electron-rich pi system of an alkene is a decent Lewis base. Then even nucleophilic addition (e.g., of ethylene to platinum) can’t be treated in terms of formal charges on individual atoms.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
This approach works for Lewis acid/base-type situations (including nucleophilic addition), but there are plenty of arrow-pushing mechanisms that involve completely nonpolar covalent bonds exclusively (Diels-Alder comes to mind).

Edit: things get even more complicated with organometallic complexes, where for instance the electron-rich pi system of an alkene is a decent Lewis base. Then even nucleophilic addition (e.g., of ethylene to platinum) can’t be treated in terms of formal charges on individual atoms.

Thank you, this is really helpful! On the basis of your and ZapperZ's response, I'll try to think of this method then as more of a "trick" that is applicable in some cases rather than a formal (no pun intended) rule...
 
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Maybe you may enjoy to read about Bader's "atoms in molecules" method.
 
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