Can bacteria nitrify ammonia if it is bonded to a base?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether nitrifying bacteria can convert ammonia into nitrites and nitrates when ammonia is bonded to a base, specifically in the context of aquaponics systems. Participants explore the implications of ammonium salts in aqueous solutions and their effects on nitrification processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if nitrifying bacteria can process ammonia when it is part of an ammonium salt, using NH4Cl as an example.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the initial question, suggesting that the author may be misunderstanding the behavior of ammonium salts in solution.
  • A participant acknowledges that dissociated ammonium salts do not hinder the availability of ammonia for nitrification.
  • It is noted that while NH4+ is soluble with many common anions, some ions, like Fe3+, may not be as bioavailable, leading to the release of siderophores by bacteria to facilitate nutrient uptake.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that dissociated ammonium salts do not impede the nitrification process, but there is no consensus on the specific implications of using different anions or the overall impact on aquaponics systems.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of ion interactions in aqueous solutions and the potential limitations of certain ions in supporting bacterial activity, but does not resolve the specific effects of different anions on nitrification.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in aquaponics, microbiology, or the biochemical processes of nitrification may find this discussion relevant.

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If an ammonium ion is bonded to let's say chlorine for simplicity sake, and NH4Cl is created, can nitrifying bacteria come in and still create nitrites and nitrates from the ammonia if it is bonded to the chlorine? I am asking this because I am planning to make a schematic for an aquaponics set-up and I want to balance the amount of ammonia in the water as possible, in my case with a base not chlorine, in order to be able to add more ammonia at once to the system without the water reaching toxic levels. Thank You!
 
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Can you rephrase your question? It appears you wish to use a different anion than chloride, but the way you've written it, it also appears you think that ammonium salts are undissociated in aqueous solution.
 
Thats true. So the dissociated salts will have no effect since the ammonia is In ion form. Thank you
 
NH4+ is very soluble in combination with most common anions, but not all ions bacteria want to use are nicely soluble. For example, Fe3+ often sediments and concentrations naturally become very low. So siderophores are released to chelate Fe3+ ions away from their salts to make them bioavailable.
 
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