Can Complex Numbers in Polar Format Be Equated Like Real Numbers?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of complex numbers expressed in polar format, specifically whether two complex numbers can be equated in the same manner as real numbers when their components are complex. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning regarding equality in polar representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if two complex numbers in polar format are equal, then their magnitudes and angles must also be equal, assuming all values are real.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that the angles must differ by an integer multiple of 2π, suggesting a more nuanced understanding of equality in polar coordinates.
  • A later reply acknowledges the need to account for the integer multiple of 2π in the angle equality, indicating a correction to the initial claim.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that magnitudes can be negative if the angles differ by an odd multiple of π, questioning the assumption of direct equality of components.
  • This participant provides an example to illustrate that equating the components of complex numbers in polar form can lead to an underdetermined system of equations, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which complex numbers in polar format can be equated. There is no consensus on the implications of complex components in the equality of polar representations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the assumptions made about the uniqueness of solutions when equating complex numbers in polar form, particularly regarding the number of equations needed to solve for multiple unknowns.

KrayzBlu
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Hi,

We know that if we have two complex numbers in polar format (i.e., magnitude and exponential), that for two complex vectors

z1 = A*exp(iB)
z2 = C*exp(iD)

If z1 and z2 are equal, then A = C and B = D. However, this is assuming these values are all real. What if they are complex? I.e. can we say if we have two complex numbers

z3 = (a+ib)*exp(c+id)
z4 = (e+if)*exp(g+ih)

If z3 and z4 are equal, can we say that (a+ib) = (e+if) and (c+id) = (g+ih)?

Thanks
 
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KrayzBlu said:
Hi,

We know that if we have two complex numbers in polar format (i.e., magnitude and exponential), that for two complex vectors

z1 = A*exp(iB)
z2 = C*exp(iD)

If z1 and z2 are equal, then A = C and B = D.

Not quite true. B and D must differ by an integer multiple of 2pi. You'll need to take that into account when working out the rest of this.
 
SteveL27 said:
Not quite true. B and D must differ by an integer multiple of 2pi. You'll need to take that into account when working out the rest of this.

Thanks for pointing this out, SteveL27, I should have said B = D +/- n*2*π, where n is any integer.
 
KrayzBlu said:
If z1 and z2 are equal, then A = C and B = D. However, this is assuming these values are all real.

You can have A = -C, if B and D are different by an odd multiple of π

z3 = (a+ib)*exp(c+id)
z4 = (e+if)*exp(g+ih)
If z3 and z4 are equal, can we say that (a+ib) = (e+if) and (c+id) = (g+ih)?
It should be easy to see why that is false. For example take
a = 1, b = c = d = 0, e = 0, f = 1, and find g and h to make z3 = z4.

If you convert z3 = x3 + i y3 and z3 = x4 + i y4, you only have 2 equations (x3 = x4 and y3 = y4) but 8 unknowns (a through h). You need 6 more equations before you can hope there is a unique solution.
 
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