Can Complex Numbers Solve This Linear System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a system of linear equations with complex coefficients. Participants explore various methods for solving the system, including substitution, Cramer's Rule, and the implications of avoiding Gaussian elimination.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem and questions whether addition of complex numbers is necessary.
  • Another suggests multiplying the second equation by $2i$ to eliminate $y$ and solve for $x$, followed by substitution to find $y$.
  • A different participant reiterates the previous suggestion but emphasizes that they are not supposed to use Gaussian elimination.
  • One participant proposes using Cramer's Rule, noting that the determinant of a 2x2 matrix can be applied here, while another agrees and provides the formulas for $x$ and $y$ using Cramer's Rule.
  • There is a correction regarding the variables in the equations, with a participant pointing out a potential error in notation.
  • Another participant expresses a desire to find a solution without using Cramer's Rule, indicating a preference for alternative methods.
  • One participant suggests substituting for $2y$ in one equation to solve for $x$ in the other equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the preferred method for solving the system. Multiple approaches are proposed, and some participants express specific restrictions on the methods they wish to use.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations regarding the use of Gaussian elimination and Cramer's Rule, indicating that their preferences may affect the methods discussed.

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$$\mathbb C: (1+i)x + 2y = 3, 3x + (1i)y = 2i$$

I don't know how to go about this, am I supposed to do addition of complex number? Please help.
 
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One way to proceed would be to multiply the second equation by $2i$, and then add the two equations:

$$(1+i)x+2y=3$$

$$6ix-2y=-4$$

Then you will have eliminated $y$ and can solve for $x$, after which you may substitute for $x$ into either equation to determine $y$.
 
MarkFL said:
One way to proceed would be to multiply the second equation by $2i$, and then add the two equations:

$$(1+i)x+2y=3$$

$$6i-2y=-4$$

Then you will have eliminated $y$ and can solve for $x$, after which you may substitute for $x$ into either equation to determine $y$.

I am not supposed to use Gaussian elimination.
 
I thought Gaussian elimination involved an augmented matrix. If you are not to use any type of elimination then use substitution instead.
 
Since this has two equations and two variables, it's easy to apply Cramer's Rule, since the determinant of a 2x2 matrix $\begin{bmatrix}a&b\\c&d \end{bmatrix}$ is just $ad-bc$
 
crypt50 said:
I am not supposed to use Gaussian elimination.
It would have helped if you had told us that!

In any case "complex numbers", as far as algebra is concerned, are just numbers. Any method that you could use with real coefficients works with complex coefficients.

If you are not allowed to use the easiest method (Gaussian elimination) you could use Cramer's rule, as eddybob123 suggested:
x= \dfrac{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}3 & 2 \\ 2i & 2i\end{array}\right|}{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1+i & 2 \\ 3 & i \end{array}\right|}
y= \dfrac{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1+i & 3 \\ 3 & 2i\end{array}\right|}{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1+i & 2 \\ 3 & i \end{array}\right|}

(Editted thanks to eddybob123.)
 
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I'm sure you meant y on the second equation!
 
HallsofIvy said:
It would have helped if you had told us that!

In any case "complex numbers", as far as algebra is concerned, are just numbers. Any method that you could use with real coefficients works with complex coefficients.

If you are not allowed to use the easiest method (Gaussian elimination) you could use Cramer's rule, as eddybob123 suggested:
x= \dfrac{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}3 & 2 \\ 2i & 2i\end{array}\right|}{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1+i & 2 \\ 3 & i \end{array}\right|}
x= \dfrac{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1+i & 3 \\ 3 & 2i\end{array}\right|}{\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1+i & 2 \\ 3 & i \end{array}\right|}

I thought I could figure it out. What if I don't want to use Cramer's rule.
 
$$(1+i)x+2y=3$$

$$6ix-2y=-4$$

Solve one of these equations for $2y$ and then substitute that into the other equation and solve for $x$.
 
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crypt50 said:
$$\mathbb C: (1+i)x + 2y = 3, 3x + (1i)y = 2i$$

I don't know how to go about this, am I supposed to do addition of complex number? Please help.

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