Can decoherence be associated with heat generation?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between decoherence and heat generation, particularly in the context of quantum systems described by density matrices. Participants explore whether decoherence, specifically in the Lindblad form, can be associated with heat production and how heat is defined in this framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a comment suggesting that decoherence can be explicitly written in Lindblad form and may generate heat, questioning how heat can be defined in this context.
  • Another participant argues that heat production is associated with dissipation, which they claim is independent of decoherence, citing a specific source for support.
  • There is a discussion about entropy production related to Lindblad operators, with some participants noting that while entropy is not heat, a temperature measure is necessary to define heat in terms of entropy changes.
  • One participant points out that the entropy produced by decoherence is typically not maximal entropy, which complicates the association with heat.
  • A later reply challenges the terminology used regarding coherence times (T1 and T2), suggesting that T2 is influenced by dissipation and that terminology may be misapplied in the discussion.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the terms T1 and T2, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between decoherence and heat generation, with no consensus reached. Some argue for a connection through entropy production, while others maintain that dissipation is the primary factor for heat production.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of heat and entropy in the context of decoherence, as well as the implications of using Lindblad operators. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings of terminology related to coherence times.

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This question is inspired by a comment that @thephystudent made where he said that

"The dephasing between the Bragg pulses is not unitary, I believe it can be explicitly written in Lindblad form and generates heat. I believe this Point of view is the same as (among others) the papers of Allahverdyan and Van Nieuwenhuizen cited, but I don't know how far it applies to your work."

The context for this comment is that a density matrix that is not diagonal in the energy basis undergoes decoherence and the off diagonal terms go to zero. Can this type of decoherence be associated with the generation of heat? How does one define heat in such a context?

Any references will be also be much appreciated.
 
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No, the production of heat is associated with dissipation, which is independent from decoherence. See Schlosshauer, Decoherence and the Quantum-to-Classical Transition, Sec. 2.11.
 
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But isn't there some entropy production (supposed the Lindblad operators are choosen appropriately)? I know, entropy is not heat, and you need a temperature measure to define heat via ##T \mathrm{d} S## though.
 
vanhees71 said:
But isn't there some entropy production
Yes, since Lindblad equations don't preserve all pure states.
 
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vanhees71 said:
But isn't there some entropy production (supposed the Lindblad operators are choosen appropriately)? I know, entropy is not heat, and you need a temperature measure to define heat via ##T \mathrm{d} S## though.
Heat is associated with thermal entropy, which is a maximal possible entropy under given constraints. The entropy produced by decoherence (Lindblad) is usually not maximal entropy.
 
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Demystifier said:
No, the production of heat is associated with dissipation, which is independent from decoherence. See Schlosshauer, Decoherence and the Quantum-to-Classical Transition, Sec. 2.11.

I don't think that is correct; at least not in the way the terminology is normally used. If you take a regular two-level system and assume no pure dephasing you have T2=2*T1.
Now, T1 will of course depend on the amount of dissipation in the system; and if the TLS is just a resonator you have that this is directly proportional to Q; i.e. the dissipation. I realize that you know this which is why I suspect there is an issue with the terminology here.

Note that when the goal is to maximise the coherence time of a real system (e.g. a qubit) you are in reality very rarely in this limes since T2 is typically limited by things like spectral diffusion etc . However, it is nevertheless true that T2 will ultimately be limited by "classical" dissipation; and in some systems (e.g. superconducting qubits) we are now at a point where we are frequently limited by plain old dissipation.
 
@f95toli I don't understand the terminology you are using? What are T1 and T2 ?
 
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