Can Deleting a Vector from Linearly Independent Vectors Preserve Independence?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of linear independence in vector spaces, specifically examining whether removing a vector from a set of linearly independent vectors affects the independence of the remaining vectors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of linear independence and question the implications of removing a vector from a linearly independent set. Some suggest starting with definitions, while others discuss the relationship between determinants and linear independence.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definitions and implications of linear independence. There is a suggestion of using proof by contradiction, but no consensus has been reached on the approach or conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of linear independence, with some confusion regarding the role of determinants in this context. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty about how to formally prove the concepts involved.

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Let x1, x2,...,xk be linear independent vectors in a vector space V.

If we delete a vector, say xk, from the collection, will we still have a linearly independent collection of vectors? Explain.

By deleting a vector from linearly independent span, the other vectors, I believe, will remain independent; however, I don't know how to prove it.
 
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Why don't you start with the definition of linearly independent? That's usually a good strategy.
 
Well vectors are lin. ind. if the the det doesn't 0 and if all coefficients are 0. Since I know they are already ind., deleting one shouldn't change the coefficients but I don't know how to set it up in a proof still.
 
det of what? I don't think that has much to do with the definition of linearly independent. Does it? I suggest you look it up. State it clearly.
 
Determinant of the vectors in the span doesn't equal 0 then they are linearly ind.
 
Baloney. Determinant is only defined for a square matrix. That's a special case. There's a much more general definition of linear independence.
 
What does it mean if x1, x2, x3 are linearly independent? It means that the solution to a1x1 + a2x2 + a3x3 = 0 is ai = 0 for all i=1,2,3. Apply this definition to k vectors.

Now, does this still hold if you take out some vector in {x1,..., xk}? Remove some xi from the set and construct the equation I did above. Does it follow that all the ai's are 0?
 
If you remove a vector, the other coefficients should still remain the same = 0.
 
Yes, and therefore what?

VeeEight is suggesting a proof by contradiction.
 

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