Can High Frequency Signals Flow Without a Medium?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the propagation of high frequency signals, particularly in the context of electromagnetic (EM) waves and their requirement for a medium. Participants explore the differences between EM waves in free space and high frequency signals transmitted through conductors like copper wires.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that EM waves do not require a medium for propagation, questioning why high frequency signals like USB need copper as a medium.
  • Another participant clarifies that while EM waves can propagate without a medium, they may utilize a medium to enhance signal transmission efficiency and directionality.
  • A different participant mentions that high frequency signals can "leak" from their wires and propagate through air or space, highlighting concerns in system design to prevent interference with other devices.
  • Participants express agreement with each other's points, indicating a shared understanding of the complexities involved in signal propagation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of EM wave propagation but present multiple competing views regarding the necessity and role of mediums in the context of high frequency signals.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the nature of mediums and their impact on signal propagation, nor does it clarify the conditions under which high frequency signals may or may not require a medium.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electromagnetic theory, signal transmission, and system design in electronics may find this discussion relevant.

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EM waves do not need a medium for propagation.
But isn't high frequency signal (like USB) flowing in a wire also electromagnetic.
How come it needs copper as a medium.
 
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EM does not need a medium to propagate, but it may use a medium if one is available.
If we cunningly contrive for it to use a carefully selected medium then we don't need so much power to get a useful signal. It's also much easier to get that signal to go exactly where we want it to go.

Consider - radio waves propagate without a medium, but to hear a radio station we need to channel that energy into a speaker ... probably adding more energy to the signal first. We could just hold the speaker in the air and, if carefully designed, it could, in principle, vibrate with the radio waves. But it is much easier just to hold an antenna in the air, converting some of the EM waves in the air into EM waves in the wire ...
 
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What Simon said.

High frequency signal like USB can "leak" out of the wire they are propagating in (especially if not screened) and can travel through air or space. People who design systems such as computers and USB devices have to go to some lengths to ensure such "leaks" don't interfere with, for example, the users TV, his pace maker or the local police radio system :-)
 
Thanks, Simon and CWatters.
 

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