Can I apply as phd with all requirements but without actual degree?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations of applying for jobs while completing a PhD, specifically addressing whether one can apply without having the actual degree in hand. Participants explore the implications of being "all but dissertation" (ABD) and how to effectively communicate this status in resumes and cover letters.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about completing their dissertation by the deadline and the potential impact on job applications without the degree.
  • Another participant suggests that applying before the degree is awarded is common in their field, recommending the use of an expected completion date on the CV.
  • Some participants mention that employers may extend conditional offers if the degree completion is imminent, but this may depend on the specific job requirements.
  • There is a discussion about the term "ABD" (all but dissertation) and its acceptance in job applications, particularly in academia.
  • A participant highlights the risk of starting a job before completing the PhD and the possibility of delays in finishing the dissertation.
  • Another participant reassures that as long as one does not misrepresent their status, using "ABD" or an expected completion date should suffice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that applying for jobs without the degree is feasible, especially if one clearly communicates their status. However, there are varying opinions on how employers perceive ABD candidates and the potential risks involved in starting a job before completing the PhD.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the acceptance of ABD status may vary by field and specific job postings, indicating a lack of uniformity in employer expectations.

Who May Find This Useful

Graduate students nearing the completion of their PhD, particularly in STEM fields, and those considering job applications in academia or industry may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm scrambling to complete my dissertation before the end of the semester but I'm not sure if I'll make it in time (deadline is May 6th). I feel like if I had an additional month or so I could definitely complete all the requirements (defense, revisions, etc), but then my degree would not be issued until August. At the same time, I've begun applying for jobs and want to find a position in industry in time to start working in July or so. Barring a job in my preferred field, I would likely have to take one or two summer jobs and wouldn't have anymore time to be working on my thesis anyways. The fact of the matter is that I can't afford being just a TA for another summer.

Am I at a serious disadvantage applying for positions without a degree in hand, even if I have all the requirements to graduate? How should I describe it in my resume or cover letter?

Any advice is greatly appreciated.
 
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It's fine to apply to places before you have the PhD awarded. This happens in my field all the time. In your CV you would simply give an expected date of completion rather than the date it was awarded. In my experience employers are willing to extend conditional offers if completion of the degree is imminent. On the other hand, if you're still collecting data or haven't written anything up yet, they're likely to balk. This assumes of course these employers actually care about you having the degree (i.e. post-docs).

Another term that I've seen around is "ABD" which means "all but dissertation" or more colloquially "all but done."

One thing to consider, that I've seen is that people will start a new job (in my field this is usually a residency) after "almost" completing the PhD and then take over a year to do what they thought was only going to be an extra month. Of course, sometimes a good jobs is worth that kind of agony. It's just something to be aware of.
 


What field are you in? Usually people are applying for jobs well before they actually have their degree in hand. The only problem is if they want you to start before you're finished your requirements. Even if you don't have the actual degree in hand when you start the job, usually a university will issue a letter saying you have earned it and will receive it soon.

Some academic job postings even list "ABD" - All but degree - on their requirements for application. I don't think I saw that on anything when I was applying for postdocs, but I know it was on some job postings for someone looking at academic jobs in some humanities fields.
 


I'm in physics, and my ideal position would be in R&D in industry. My thesis is on theoretical AMO, so it is primarily computer modeling.

"One thing to consider, that I've seen is that people will start a new job (in my field this is usually a residency) after "almost" completing the PhD and then take over a year to do what they thought was only going to be an extra month. Of course, sometimes a good jobs is worth that kind of agony. It's just something to be aware of. "

That is certainly a concern!
 


As long as you don't claim to be a Ph.D. when you aren't (yet), I don't think you'll have any problem. "ABD" or "Expected Completion Date: xxx" is all you should need.
 

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