Can I Convert PSI to kPa Using Dimensional Analysis?

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The discussion revolves around converting pressure measurements from psi to kPa using dimensional analysis. The original poster describes a scenario involving gauge pressure of an air compressor and expresses uncertainty about the conversion process, particularly regarding the treatment of pounds as force versus mass.

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  • Participants explore the dimensional analysis of pressure conversion and question the necessity of definitions for units like pounds and Newtons. There is discussion about whether calculus is required for the conversion and the implications of gravitational acceleration on the conversion process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining the definitions of units and the conversion factors involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conversion process, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note the challenge of converting between units without access to digital converters and the importance of understanding the definitions of units in the context of dimensional analysis.

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Ok, so I was at lowes and I was trying to figure out the gauge pressure of a certain air compressor that used psi measurements. I don't have an iPhone or anything that can pull up internet converters so I figured I would have to do the conversion dimensionally. This posed a problem though as the pounds to kilograms converter on my phone doesn't recognize pounds as a force, but as a mass. I was wondering if there was some sort of calculus involved with dimensionally converting psi to kPa.
1 lb = [tex].4536 kg_{in Earth's gravity}[/tex]
with respect to time, pressure is the second derivative of kg/meter
 
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JoeMaxwell92 said:
Ok, so I was at lowes and I was trying to figure out the gauge pressure of a certain air compressor that used psi measurements. I don't have an iPhone or anything that can pull up internet converters so I figured I would have to do the conversion dimensionally. This posed a problem though as the pounds to kilograms converter on my phone doesn't recognize pounds as a force, but as a mass. I was wondering if there was some sort of calculus involved with dimensionally converting psi to kPa.



1 lb = [tex].4536 kg_{in Earth's gravity}[/tex]
an object with a mass of 0.4536 kg has a weight of 1 pound on Planet Earth (that's about 4.45 Newtons).
with respect to time, pressure is the second derivative of kg/meter
No need for calculus...1 psi is 1 pound/square inch...convert pounds to kN (1 pound is 0.00445 kN) and convert square inches to square meters , and you end up with 1 psi is 6.9 kPa, or 1 kPa is 0.145 psi, approximately.
 
So I guess what you are saying is there is no way of converting pounds directly into Newtons by dimensional analysis without a definition, in Newtons, of what a pound is, or without multiplying the conversion from lbs to kg by the gravitational acceleration constant?
 
JoeMaxwell92 said:
So I guess what you are saying is there is no way of converting pounds directly into Newtons by dimensional analysis without a definition, in Newtons, of what a pound is, or without multiplying the conversion from lbs to kg by the gravitational acceleration constant?
That's right, you need a definition. It's all in the definition of the unit and the conversion factors between units. That is true even within the chosen system of measure itself. For example, a kN is the force required to accelerate 1000 kg of mass at a rate of 1 meter per second per second. But you first need to define the kilogram and meter and second per an international standard.
 

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