Can i create an air flow through a geometry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of creating or forcing air flow through a geometry without the use of electronic components, engines, or manual blowing. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of air movement, particularly in relation to pipes or structures designed to channel air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that air flow could be created by blowing, but acknowledges this may not be a practical solution.
  • Another participant proposes that a heat or pressure difference at one end of a pipe could induce air movement, referencing natural phenomena like wind.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the necessity of an energy source to produce motion in a stationary situation, mentioning that heat sources can generate significant air flow.
  • Participants note that without an energy source, the concept may lead to discussions of perpetual motion, which is considered nonsensical and prohibited in the forum.
  • Historical examples are mentioned, such as older Mac computers that utilized convection for cooling without fans.
  • One participant highlights the importance of geometry in systems like cooling towers, while reiterating the need for an energy source for air movement to occur.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that an energy source is necessary to create air flow, but there is no consensus on whether spontaneous air flow can be achieved without such sources. Multiple competing views remain regarding the methods and principles involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by assumptions about energy sources and the definitions of spontaneous air flow. The implications of perpetual motion are also a point of contention.

Giulio Cesare
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Is there a way to create/force air flow without using electronic components?
 
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BilbobagginsINSPACE said:
Well, You could always just blow, I guess, but other than that, I can only immediately think of a slightly cheaty way and use something like a car engine, perhaps.
Ty for the answer.
Maybe i wasn’t clear enough. Imagine a pipe (or whatever structure that can channel air), i’m trying to figure out if i can create a “spontaneous” air flow. No engine, no blows, no electronics. I actually think it’s impossible, but you guys know physics better than me, so here i am ^^.
 
I was just talking to a friend, and we realized, that if you make a heat or pressure difference at one end of the pipe, the air would move, that is literally what makes winds. However, if that isn't what you mean again, then no, we're stumped. You should talk to someone more experienced than me though, I'm no expert.
 
Giulio Cesare said:
Ty for the answer.
Maybe i wasn’t clear enough. Imagine a pipe (or whatever structure that can channel air), i’m trying to figure out if i can create a “spontaneous” air flow. No engine, no blows, no electronics. I actually think it’s impossible, but you guys know physics better than me, so here i am ^^.
You have to bear in mind that you need an Energy Source to produce any motion in an initially stationary situation. A heat source can generate a significant flow of air - as anyone with a stove with a flue will tell you.
An electric fan is a convenient and flexible way to do this and the Dyson "cool" fans do it electrically with no moving parts. Rich people used servants in the past to operate fans.
Common theme is the Energy Source. Without it, we would be talking in terms of Perpetual Motion which is 1. Nonsense and 2. verboten on PF.
 
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Combine the previous answers from @sophiecentaur and @DrClaude . The geometry of that cooling tower is essential to the function. But it needs an energy source or nothing happens.
 

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