How to Calculate Air Flow Through a 1/4 Inch Pipe at 90 PSI?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the airflow through a 1/4 inch pipe at a pressure of 90 psi on one side and atmospheric pressure on the other. Participants explore various equations and factors influencing airflow, including temperature, pipe length, and flow regimes (laminar vs. turbulent).

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  • One participant requests the equation for airflow through a pipe, specifying dimensions and pressures.
  • Another participant notes that temperature and pipe length are critical factors in determining airflow.
  • A participant questions the measurement location of the pressure and whether it is constant, suggesting that these factors affect the calculation.
  • The Hagen-Poiseuille equation is presented as a method for calculating volumetric flow rate, with a specific example given for a 1-inch pipe length, but it is noted that this equation applies only to laminar flow.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions of incompressibility in the Hagen-Poiseuille equation, with a participant stating that compressibility is significant and may lead to choked flow at the pipe exit.
  • Links to external resources are shared, providing flow rates for different methods and emphasizing the variability based on empirical modeling for turbulent flow.
  • Participants discuss the impact of pipe length on flow rate, noting that turbulent flow experiences less drop-off compared to laminar flow.

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Participants express varying views on the appropriate equations and factors influencing airflow, indicating that multiple competing models and assumptions exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate airflow under the given conditions.

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Limitations include the dependence on temperature, the need for clarity on pressure measurement locations, and the unresolved implications of flow regime assumptions (laminar vs. turbulent) and compressibility effects.

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I would like to know the equation for calculating the flow of air through an opening.
I have a 1/4 inch pipe with an area of .0490625 in squared. How much air ( in cu inches) will flow through in 10 seconds if i have 90 psi on one side and atmosphic on the other (14.7 psi).
Thanks
 
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It's going to depend on the temperature of the air and how long a pipe through which you are flowing the air.
 
Where was this pressure measured? Was it in some large reservoir of a tank feeding the pipe? Is that pressure constant or is the system losing pressure as it vents? You will also need temperature. It's easier if both the temperature and pressure are in a reservoir of some sort so that they are the total temperature and pressure, though you can figure it out regardless. The length of your pipe COULD be a factor if it is long or bendy but would likely be a small error otherwise.
 
Hagen-Poiseuille equation:
Q=Pi*R^4*deltaP/(8*mu*L)
where Q=volumetric flow rate, R=pipe radius, deltaP=pressure difference, mu=viscosity of air(dependent on temperature as SteamKing said), L=pipe length

A quick calculation at 25 degrees C gave me 4406106 cubic feet per minute with L=1 inch. so just divide 4406106 by the length of the pipe in inches and you'll get the flow rate in a laminar flow regime.

^this equation works for laminar flow only. Actual flow will be significantly higher due to turbulence. For this you would calculate the Reynolds Number and then use an empirical correlation to estimate the flow rate.
 
colliflour said:
Hagen-Poiseuille equation:
Q=Pi*R^4*deltaP/(8*mu*L)
where Q=volumetric flow rate, R=pipe radius, deltaP=pressure difference, mu=viscosity of air(dependent on temperature as SteamKing said), L=pipe length

A quick calculation at 25 degrees C gave me 4406106 cubic feet per minute with L=1 inch. so just divide 4406106 by the length of the pipe in inches and you'll get the flow rate in a laminar flow regime.

^this equation works for laminar flow only. Actual flow will be significantly higher due to turbulence. For this you would calculate the Reynolds Number and then use an empirical correlation to estimate the flow rate.

That assumes incompressibility though, which is a much bigger source of error than the laminar flow assumption. In this case, compressibility is key, which will cause the flow to choke at the exit of the pipe (and likely cause a much smaller flow rate than what you just estimated).
 
http://www.pipeflowcalculations.com/airflow/
Try this. I got flow rates of 149 cfm for 1 inch long pipe for one method and 227 cfm for another method. Depends how in particular the empirical modeling for turbulent flow is done. It also depends on how slippery the inside of the pipe is. Also compared to laminar flow, turbulent flow has much less drop off of flow rate with pipe length. Something like 25% drop in flow with increasing pipe length from 1 inch to 100 inches.
 
colliflour said:
http://www.pipeflowcalculations.com/airflow/
Try this. I got flow rates of 149 cfm for 1 inch long pipe for one method and 227 cfm for another method. Depends how in particular the empirical modeling for turbulent flow is done. It also depends on how slippery the inside of the pipe is. Also compared to laminar flow, turbulent flow has much less drop off of flow rate with pipe length. Something like 25% drop in flow with increasing pipe length from 1 inch to 100 inches.

Turbulence won't be the main issue though - compressibility will. The slower drop off of flow rate with pipe length in that calculator is probably because (assuming it is calculating compressibility correctly) the flow is choked at the exit, reducing the influence of upstream factors on flow rate.
 

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