Can laser-driven H-B fusion be a viable alternative with no neutron output?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of laser-driven proton-boron fusion as an alternative energy source, particularly focusing on its potential to operate without neutron output. Participants examine the technical requirements and challenges associated with achieving ignition in a solid target using high-powered laser systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in the attached paper advocating for laser-driven proton-boron fusion, questioning its feasibility.
  • Another participant details the significant power requirements for the proposed fusion method, noting the need for a 30 PW laser over 1 ps, which is substantially more powerful and longer than current capabilities.
  • This participant also highlights the economic implications, suggesting that to be viable, the system would need to produce multiple pulses per second to generate substantial electricity revenue.
  • A different participant asserts that the proposed method is not feasible, providing a strong negative response to the initial inquiry.
  • Reiterating earlier points, another participant emphasizes the technical challenges, including the need for a unique machine to test predictions and the unclear costs associated with building a power plant.
  • Concerns are raised about the credibility of the proposed fusion method, citing a lack of existing lasers capable of achieving the necessary conditions for ignition.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of laser-driven proton-boron fusion, with some arguing it is not feasible while others acknowledge the technical challenges without reaching a consensus on its viability.

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Participants note limitations related to the current technological capabilities of lasers and the economic uncertainties surrounding the construction of a power plant based on this fusion method.

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I'm interested in comments on the attached paper. The authors are advocating laser drive proton-boron fusion as an attractive option, given the lack of neutron output. They describe a laser driven method for achieving ignition in a solid target. Any thoughts? Is this even remotely feasible?
 

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10 PW is the peak power of the most powerful laser pulses achieved so far - for 24 fs. They want 30 PW over 1 ps, a factor 3 more power and a factor 40 longer, for a factor 120 in pulse energy (30 kJ instead of 240 J). You have to get 1 pulse per second to produce electricity worth $100 million per year - which means you probably want several times this rate or several lasers to make a power plant interesting.

The NIF produces 4 MJ pulses with a length of 20 ns distributed over something like 200 beams, or 20 kJ per beam - the right amount of pulse energy, although the pulses are a factor 20,000 too long. It can fire a few shots per day, after each shot the amplifiers have to cool down for hours.

I don't say it is impossible, but even if all the predictions are accurate: Testing these predictions would need a one-of-a-kind machine, and the price of a power plant is completely unclear.
 
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Is this even remotely feasible?

The answer is NO.
 
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10 PW is the peak power of the most powerful laser pulses achieved so far - for 24 fs. They want 30 PW over 1 ps, a factor 3 more power and a factor 40 longer, for a factor 120 in pulse energy (30 kJ instead of 240 J). You have to get 1 pulse per second to produce electricity worth $100 million per year - which means you probably want several times this rate or several lasers to make a power plant interesting.

The NIF produces 4 MJ pulses with a length of 20 ns distributed over something like 200 beams, or 20 kJ per beam - the right amount of pulse energy, although the pulses are a factor 20,000 too long. It can fire a few shots per day, after each shot the amplifiers have to cool down for hours.

I don't say it is impossible, but even if all the predictions are accurate: Testing these predictions would need a one-of-a-kind machine, and the price of a power plant is completely unclear.

They have a credibility problem since nobody has ever built a laser with the ultrahigh degree of contrast necessary for igniting fusion according to hora's report.
 

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