Can laser-driven H-B fusion be a viable alternative with no neutron output?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of laser-driven proton-boron fusion as proposed in an attached paper. The authors suggest a need for a laser system capable of 30 PW over 1 ps, significantly exceeding current capabilities, which raises concerns about practicality and cost. Current technology, such as the NIF, produces sufficient pulse energy but operates at much longer durations and lower frequencies, limiting its utility for power generation. Testing the proposed methods would require a unique machine, and the financial implications of developing a power plant remain uncertain. Overall, skepticism prevails regarding the viability of this fusion approach due to the significant technological and economic challenges involved.
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I'm interested in comments on the attached paper. The authors are advocating laser drive proton-boron fusion as an attractive option, given the lack of neutron output. They describe a laser driven method for achieving ignition in a solid target. Any thoughts? Is this even remotely feasible?
 

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10 PW is the peak power of the most powerful laser pulses achieved so far - for 24 fs. They want 30 PW over 1 ps, a factor 3 more power and a factor 40 longer, for a factor 120 in pulse energy (30 kJ instead of 240 J). You have to get 1 pulse per second to produce electricity worth $100 million per year - which means you probably want several times this rate or several lasers to make a power plant interesting.

The NIF produces 4 MJ pulses with a length of 20 ns distributed over something like 200 beams, or 20 kJ per beam - the right amount of pulse energy, although the pulses are a factor 20,000 too long. It can fire a few shots per day, after each shot the amplifiers have to cool down for hours.

I don't say it is impossible, but even if all the predictions are accurate: Testing these predictions would need a one-of-a-kind machine, and the price of a power plant is completely unclear.
 
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Is this even remotely feasible?

The answer is NO.
 
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10 PW is the peak power of the most powerful laser pulses achieved so far - for 24 fs. They want 30 PW over 1 ps, a factor 3 more power and a factor 40 longer, for a factor 120 in pulse energy (30 kJ instead of 240 J). You have to get 1 pulse per second to produce electricity worth $100 million per year - which means you probably want several times this rate or several lasers to make a power plant interesting.

The NIF produces 4 MJ pulses with a length of 20 ns distributed over something like 200 beams, or 20 kJ per beam - the right amount of pulse energy, although the pulses are a factor 20,000 too long. It can fire a few shots per day, after each shot the amplifiers have to cool down for hours.

I don't say it is impossible, but even if all the predictions are accurate: Testing these predictions would need a one-of-a-kind machine, and the price of a power plant is completely unclear.

They have a credibility problem since nobody has ever built a laser with the ultrahigh degree of contrast necessary for igniting fusion according to hora's report.
 
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