Can LCL Filter Convert AC to DC for Half Bridge Section?

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The discussion revolves around the functionality of an LCL filter in converting AC to DC, particularly in the context of a half bridge converter. Participants explore the principles of active converters, the role of various components, and the simulation of circuits using LTspice and MATLAB. The conversation includes technical clarifications, algorithmic considerations, and challenges faced during simulations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the output of the LCL filter is DC or if a sine wave can also be input to the half bridge section.
  • Another participant discusses the design of a 'T' filter and expresses surprise at the large values of L and C components, questioning how these values were selected.
  • There is a discussion about the basic principle of converting AC to DC using MOSFET switches and the role of a controller in managing voltage levels.
  • Participants share their experiences with LTspice simulations, noting issues with diode conduction and voltage drops in the circuit.
  • One participant mentions using the SVPWM technique to control the DC voltage and requests feedback on their simulation results.
  • There are inquiries about the use of MOSFETs versus IGBTs in the circuit topology and the implications of substrate diodes in these components.
  • Concerns are raised about the regulation of the output voltage in simulations, with suggestions that documentation and circuit diagrams may be lacking.
  • A participant expresses a desire to calculate the maximum DC output voltage from a given sine wave input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the functionality and design of the LCL filter and the specifics of the active converter. There is no consensus on several technical aspects, including the effectiveness of different components and the outcomes of simulations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention confusion regarding the differences between AC and DC outputs, the behavior of diodes in the circuit, and the impact of load resistance on simulation results. There are also references to unresolved mathematical steps and the need for clearer circuit diagrams.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in power electronics, circuit simulation, and the design of converters, particularly those working with LCL filters and half bridge configurations.

  • #31
The idea is from the AC what is the maximum DC voltage can be generated with different rectifying techniques,
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In the above circuit if the input AC is sine wave of ##A_{RMS}## then if half wave rectification is done the maximum DC voltage is as calculated above is ##\frac{2\sqrt2 A_{RMS}} {\pi}## and if full rectification is done the maximum DC voltage is 2 times the above ##\frac{2*2\sqrt2 A_{RMS}} {\pi}## = 1.8*Arms. Similarly there are some rectification techniques, i want to calculate the DC voltage for them as next step.
 
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  • #32
PhysicsTest said:
The idea is from the AC what is the maximum DC voltage can be generated with different rectifying techniques,
Short Answer: The peak value of the rectifier AC input voltage.
Real-World Considerations (corrections):
  • subtract the forward-voltage of the rectifier(s)
  • subtract the voltage drop of the supply voltage (typically from a small transformer)
Those items vary with the load current.

If you want the usable voltage, account for the the ripple due to the filter capacitors discharging between the peaks of the rectified voltage.

The above is valid for Half-wave, Full-wave, and Full-wave Bridge rectifier circuits.

In the rare instances of using a Voltage Multiplier rectifier circuit, the above holds for each stage of the multiplier. (don't go there if you can avoid it! the calculations are a real pain))

Cheers,
Tom
 
  • #33
I recommend looking at the appendix of this old National Semiconductor Audio Handbook. It has a nice treatment of rectifiers, especially the voltage vs. load vs. filter performance.
 
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  • #34
The reason for using a switching rectifier is usually because there is a high load and the power factor must be corrected. The circuit will then need to be operated to sink or source current, proportional to voltage, from all three lines. While doing that, the circuit needs to maintain the voltage in the reservoir capacitor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply#Power_factor
 
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@DaveE
I also have the National Special Function data book:
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dlgoff said:
@DaveE
I also have the National Special Function data book:
View attachment 303620
Can you post a pic or a scan of the Table of Contents for that one Don? I know most of National's handbooks/databooks, but have not seen that one. Thanks :smile:
 
  • #38
berkeman said:
Can you post a pic or a scan of the Table of Contents for that one Don? I know most of National's handbooks/databooks, but have not seen that one. Thanks :smile:
It was a little hard to get a good photo of all the Table of Contents pages but this will give you an idea maybe:
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Beauty. Do you know if NS has posted a PDF of this online?
 
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I don't know. I haven't looked. Here's another photo to give you an idea of the contents:
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Due to it's age, the yellowing makes it really hard to photograph.

edit: maybe you can download this image and enhance with your tools.
 
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