Can Light Rays Cross Near a BH? - Simulated w/ Matlab

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the simulation of light rays passing near a Kerr black hole (BH) using Matlab. Participants explore the initial conditions, parameters of the black hole, and the resulting behavior of the light rays, questioning the validity of the simulation results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a simulation where two parallel light rays cross near a Kerr black hole, expressing uncertainty about the validity of the results.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the initial conditions, including the initial directions of the rays and the parameters of the black hole.
  • The original poster provides detailed parameters of the black hole and the rays, including mass, angular momentum, initial positions, and wave vectors.
  • There is a mention of a potential calculation error related to the ode45 algorithm affecting the wave number increase.
  • One participant identifies the phenomenon as gravitational lensing without further elaboration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the correctness of the simulation results or the implications of the findings. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the initial conditions and the interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the initial conditions and the effects of the black hole's parameters remain unspecified, which may influence the outcomes of the simulation.

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When I simulate that two parallel light rays pass near a Kerr BH, the result shows that they cross each other. Is it possible?
Hi. I use Matlab to simulate that two parallel light rays pass near a Kerr BH. The angular momentum of the BH points to the ##z## direction. The ##z## components of the start points of the two rays are ## 1\times 10^3 ~\rm{m}## and ##- 1\times 10^3 ~\rm{m}##, respectively. The result, as shown in the figure, indicates that the rays cross each other. In the end, the ##z## components of the two rays are ##-667~\rm{m}## and ##667~\rm{m}##, respectively.

I am not sure if this is possible or not. Maybe there are some errors in my model. How can I check if my result is correct or not?

Thanks.
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You haven't really explained your initial conditions, so it's hard to comment. I think your rays start symmetrically above and below the equatorial plane. What are their initial directions, and what are the mass and angular momentum parameters of the hole?
 
@Ibix

Sorry, I thought that is not important, so I did not mention it. Here are the parameters (all are in Cartesian coordinates):

mass of BH is ##1.988\times10^{30}~\rm{kg}=1.47\times10^3~\rm{m}## ;
angular momentum per unit mass is ##0.9## (along z-axis);
position of BH is ##(0,~0,~0)##;
initial positions of rays are ##(-1\times 10^4,~2\times 10^4,~1\times 10^3)## and ##(-1\times 10^4,~2\times 10^4,~-1\times 10^3)##, respectively;
both initial wave vectors are ##(1.03\times 10^7 ,~1.82\times 10^6 , ~ 0)##;

The results are:
the final positions of rays are ##(9.12\times 10^4,~1.55\times 10^3,~-667)## and ##(9.12\times 10^4,~1.55\times 10^3,~667)##, respectively;
the final wave vectors are ##(1.05\times 10^7,~-2.28\times 10^6,~-1.90\times 10^5)## and ##(1.05\times 10^7,~-2.28\times 10^6,~1.90\times 10^5)##, respectively.

The wave number is increased by ##2.36\times10^5~\rm{m^{-1}}##, but I think that is due to the calculation error of the ode45 algorithm.
 
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This is gravitational lensing.
 
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