Can Logarithms and Triangle Properties Solve This Complex Mathematical Equation?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving logarithms and properties of a right triangle, specifically focusing on the relationship between the sides of the triangle and logarithmic expressions. The original poster defines variables a, b, and c, where c is the hypotenuse, and poses a logarithmic equation to be shown.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore assumptions regarding the values of a and c, questioning if specific values could simplify the problem. There is also discussion about applying the Pythagorean theorem and manipulating logarithmic identities to approach the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various thoughts and strategies. Some have suggested using specific numerical examples to gain insight, while others are considering transformations of logarithmic expressions. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the conditions a > 1 and c > b + 1, which may influence the validity of the logarithmic expressions involved. The nature of the equation and its components is also questioned, indicating a need for clarity on the relationships between the variables.

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Homework Statement



Define a, b, and c as the sides of a right triangle where c is the hypotenuse, and a > 1 and c > b+1

show that
[tex]log_{c+b} a + log_{c-b} a = 2(log_{c+b} a)(log_{c-b} a)[/tex]


2. Governing equations



The Attempt at a Solution


Should I assume that a=2 and c=b+2?!
 
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L²Cc said:

Should I assume that a=2 and c=b+2?!


What did Mr. Pythagoras say about "the sqaw on the hippopotamus"?
 
c²=a²+b²...but then how do I apply that to the given statement. Perhaps if you give me a hint, I will manage to finish off the question.
 
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I haven't got time to look at it now, but maybe it would be useful, as mentioned above, to use a^2 = c^2 - b^2 = (c - b) (c + b), and the fact that [tex]\log_{a}x^n = n\log_{a}x[/tex] somehow.
 
OK, here's the strategy I used to get a handle on this.

First off, it's a totally weird looking equation. I can't think what practical use it would be. The things in there are "a", "c+b" and "c-b" It's also got logs to two different bases in the same equation.

I tried putting in the numbers for some rightangled triangles like 3,4,5 and 5,12,13. That didn't help much.

What else are you given? some weird stuff, a > 1 and c > b+1 or c-b > 1. Hm... maybe that's just saying all the "interesting" things are positive numbers so the logs are well defined. I don't know what else to do with it yet, so forget about it till later...

What else do we know? Well, a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is the only equation you have. So try and work forwards from a^2 + b^2 = c^2, and backwards from what you are trying to prove, and see if you can meet up in the middle.

From a^2 + b^2 = c^2 we want some stuff with c+b, c-b, and some logs in it. OK...
a^2 = c^2 - b^2 = (c+b)(c-b)
2 ln a = ln (c+b) + ln(c-b)

... that looks promising but all the logs are to the same base (e). So what happens if you work backwards from the answer and transform all the logs into natural logs? The standard formula is log(base p)q = ln(q)/ln(p).
 

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