Can mass/energy simply be distorted spacetime?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether mass and energy can be understood as distorted spacetime, particularly in relation to equilibrium in the universe. Participants explore ideas about the nature of spacetime, dark matter, dark energy, and the conditions for the big bang, with varying levels of clarity and reference to established physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that changes in the ratio of "normal" spacetime to "distorted" spacetime could explain phenomena like dark matter and dark energy.
  • Others argue that there is no distinction between normal and distorted spacetime, asserting that curved spacetime is the norm.
  • There is a suggestion that matter might be viewed as "crushed, squished up energy," referencing historical ideas by Clifford and Einstein regarding the relationship between matter and spacetime curvature.
  • One participant expresses a belief that mass/energy represents extremely twisted spacetime, while dark matter and dark energy are less so, and seeks guidance on these concepts.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of personal speculations and emphasizes the importance of grounding discussions in established physics and mathematical understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity and clarity of the initial question regarding distorted spacetime, with some expressing confusion and others challenging the speculative nature of the claims made. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the proposed ideas.

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Some claims lack references, and there are calls for more rigorous grounding in established theories. The discussion reflects a mix of personal speculation and attempts to connect with historical concepts in physics.

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I'm asking in reference to equilibrium. If the ratio of "normal" spacetime to "distorted" spacetime changes with the universe, could that possibly explain "normal" spacetime becoming dark matter, dark energy, eventually big bang/inflation, due to equilibrium. This idea seems already done, just couldn't find any information on it through simple investigation.
 
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Your question doesn't make a lot of sense. An electron, for example, is a charged particle. How could that be "distorted" spacetime.
 
physicsisdope said:
If the ratio of "normal" spacetime to "distorted" spacetime changes with the universe
There is no distinction between the two. Curved spacetime is normal.
 
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PeroK said:
Your question doesn't make a lot of sense. An electron, for example, is a charged particle. How could that be "distorted" spacetime.
There has been some suggestion[citation needed] that matter is just crushed, squished up energy. This is not new.
 
DaveC426913 said:
There has been some suggestion[citation needed] that matter is just crushed, squished up energy. This is not new.
Energy is a property of matter or systems generally.
 
DaveC426913 said:
There has been some suggestion[citation needed] that matter is just crushed, squished up energy. This is not new.
Probably similar to the old suggestion of Clifford (1871), according to which matter is just Riemannian curvature of space. Even Einstein said something in that direction. See the following paper that gives a sketchy overview of that idea in relation to general relativity
http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.2574v2
 
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physicsisdope said:
I'm asking in reference to equilibrium.
Equilibrium of what? Where are you getting all this from?

physicsisdope said:
the ratio of "normal" spacetime to "distorted" spacetime
What does this mean? Again, where are you getting this from?

You need to give some references. Please note that personal speculation is not allowed here.
 
I'm sorry, I'm trying to learn something my brain is unable to comprehend.
I believe mass/energy to be extremely twisted spacetime. I believe dark matter and dark energy are not so extremely twisted spacetime. I believe the conditions needed to create a big bang include large amounts of spacetime and dark energy. Can someone point me in the right direction as I am not a physicist, thank-you.
 
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physicsisdope said:
I'm sorry, I'm trying to learn something my brain is unable to comprehend.
Then the last thing you should be doing is making up models of your own like this:

physicsisdope said:
I believe mass/energy to be extremely twisted spacetime. I believe dark matter and dark energy are not so extremely twisted spacetime. I believe the conditions needed to create a big bang include large amounts of spacetime and dark energy.
None of this has any basis in actual physics.

physicsisdope said:
Can someone point me in the right direction
The right direction is to take the time to learn what our best current theories of physics actually say. That means learning the math. It does not mean trying to make up explanations in ordinary language on your own.
 
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Since the thread question has no basis in any actual reference, it is not answerable. Thread closed.
 

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