Can MisFOILing Impact Equation Outcomes?

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This discussion focuses on the derivation of the equation relating displacement, initial velocity, final velocity, and acceleration in physics. The user initially misapplies the FOIL method while attempting to simplify the equation derived from two kinematic equations: I X(t)=X_0+V_0 t+\frac{1}{2}at^2 and II V(t)=V_0+at. The correct derivation leads to the equation 2aΔX=V_F^2-V_i^2, which the user struggles to achieve due to errors in algebraic manipulation. The final resolution emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the FOIL method and maintaining all terms during simplification.

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Edit: See edit at the bottom of the post

Homework Statement


From a couple of common equations, derive a third common equation.

Homework Equations


I [itex]X(t)=X_0+V_0 t+\frac{1}{2}at^2[/itex]
II [itex]V(t)=V_0+at[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting II into I gives us:
[itex]\triangle X=V_0\frac{V_F-F_i}{a}+\frac{1}{2}a\frac{V_F-V_i}{a}^2[/itex]
Removing the first value on the right hand side of the equals (since [itex]V_0[/itex] is typically 0), we get:
[itex]\triangle X=\frac{1}{2}a\frac{V_F-V_i}{a}^2[/itex]
Perhaps I've made a mistake foiling this, but I got:
[itex]\triangle X=\frac{1}{2}a\frac{V_F^2+V_F V_i-V_F V_i+V_i^2}{a^2}[/itex]
The inner and outer terms drop out and a positive squared and a negative squared are both a positive, right? So, then after canceling an "a" and moving the remaining "a" and the 1/2 over to the left hand side:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_F^2+V_i^2[/itex]

But, it's my understanding that the final answer should be:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_F^2-V_i^2[/itex]
Note the - between the velocity values, not a +, which I got. So, what am I doing wrong? Is the equation supposed to be a - not the + which I think it should be? Did I make a mistake foiling?

Edit:

Ok, I did make a mistake foiling. The middle terms shouldn't drop out. They aren't:
[itex]V_F^2+V_F V_i-V_F V_i+V_i^2[/itex] but rather:
[itex]V_F^2-V_F V_i-V_F V_i+V_i^2[/itex] which simplifies to:
[itex]V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2[/itex]

Still, how do I get this to become: [itex]V_F^2-V_i^2[/itex]? I could drop out anything with [itex]V_i[/itex] in it, since we assume that itt's zero and anything multiplied by zero is zero, but then I'd up with just a:
[itex]V_F^2[/itex] instead of a:
[itex]V_F^2-V_i^2[/itex]

Further edit:
Ok, since I have a [itex]V_i[/itex] in the final answer, I probably shouldn't have dropped it to begin with. If I pull the 1/2, cancel an a and move the rest over to the other side of the problem (and remembering that V_0 and V_i are the same thing), I think I end up with:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_i*(V_F-V_i)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2)[/itex] multiplying that first V_i through, I get:
[itex]2a\triangle X=(V_F V_i-V_i^2)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2)[/itex] canceling the V_i^2 I get:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_F V_i+V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)[/itex] then canceling out one V_F V_i I get:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_F^2-V_F V_i[/itex] I think.

But [itex]V_F^2-V_F V_i[/itex] still isn't [itex]V_F^2-V_i^2[/itex] -- what am I doing wrong?
 
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Hi Banaticus,

Banaticus said:
Further edit:
Ok, since I have a [itex]V_i[/itex] in the final answer, I probably shouldn't have dropped it to begin with. If I pull the 1/2, cancel an a and move the rest over to the other side of the problem (and remembering that V_0 and V_i are the same thing), I think I end up with:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_i*(V_F-V_i)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2)[/itex]

This equation is missing one factor. Originally, the second term on the right had a factor of 1/2, which you got rid of by multiplying both sides by 2. So after that, now the term on the left is multiplied by 2 (so that is correct), but what about the first term on the right (the [itex]V_i*(V_F-V_i)[/itex] term)? Once you fix that I believe you'll get the answer you're looking for.

multiplying that first V_i through, I get:
[itex]2a\triangle X=(V_F V_i-V_i^2)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2)[/itex] canceling the V_i^2 I get:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_F V_i+V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)[/itex] then canceling out one V_F V_i I get:
[itex]2a\triangle X=V_F^2-V_F V_i[/itex] I think.

But [itex]V_F^2-V_F V_i[/itex] still isn't [itex]V_F^2-V_i^2[/itex] -- what am I doing wrong?
 

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