Can Network Solids Have Conduction Orbitals Like Metallic Solids?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of conduction orbitals in metallic solids compared to network solids, particularly silicon. Participants explore concepts related to electron delocalization, molecular orbitals, and the structural characteristics of these materials, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in metallic solids, the number of electrons is equal to the number of protons to maintain charge neutrality, while others question the completeness of valence shells in metals.
  • There is a suggestion that the conduction band in metals typically corresponds to the number of atoms donating electrons, but this can vary with different metals, leading to complexities in electron donation.
  • Participants express confusion about how network solids like silicon can possess conduction orbitals, questioning whether the molecular orbitals in silicon are closely spaced enough to form a continuous band structure.
  • One participant mentions the need for rigorous band-structure calculations to understand the conduction properties of silicon, emphasizing the complexity of many-body physics in this context.
  • Another participant argues that silicon's bonding geometry is similar to that of metals like tin, challenging the notion that tetrahedral bonding in silicon would prevent the formation of conduction bands.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the relationship between electron donation and conduction properties in both metallic and network solids. There is no consensus on how the structural characteristics of silicon affect its conduction orbitals compared to metallic solids.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on qualitative judgments regarding bonding geometries and the complexity of band structure calculations, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Since metals are neutral, and their electrons delocalized, is the number of electrons in a metallic solid equal to the number of protons in the solid? Also I am guessing that the valence shells of the metals are not complete?

I am confused on this regard.

Furthermore, I can see how the myriad molecular orbitals in metallic solids form a continuum for electrons to travel within throughout the solid, but how exactly do network solids such as silicon have conduction orbitals? Are the the MOs in silicon solid also as closely spaced as to form a continuous orbital for electrons to travel within? It just doesn't seem like the tetrahedral shape of a silicon bonds in the solid would provide MO's that are spaced closely enough to form the bands seen in metallic solids.
 
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Perhaps a good explanation is:
Each positive metal ion is attracted to the negatively charged delocalised electrons. The negative electrons are in turn attracted towards the positive metal ions. It is these attractions that hold the structure together forming metallic bonds.
from http://www.schoolscience.co.uk/content/5/chemistry/steel/steelch1pg1.html

In a metal, and in most matter, the positive and negative charges are balanced, unless of course electrons are removed or added to the material. In a metal, the number of electrons equals the number of protons in order to maintain charge neutrality.

Some commentary on Group 4 elements, which includes silicon, and there is a discussion on electrical conductivity.
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/group4/properties.html
Silicon, germanium and grey tin (all with the same structure as diamond) are also brittle solids.
 
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First of all, I moved this from the Chemistry forum because your questions are more relevant to solid state physics.

dissolver said:
Since metals are neutral, and their electrons delocalized, is the number of electrons in a metallic solid equal to the number of protons in the solid? Also I am guessing that the valence shells of the metals are not complete?

I am confused on this regard.

If depends on how many electrons are "donated" to the conduction band per atom. Typically, each atom in the metal gives up an electron. If this is the case, then the number of electrons in the conduction band will equal to the number of atoms in the metal. This simplistic scenario, however, doesn't work all the time. Some metals might easily have a +2 valence, or even fractional valence such as +1.5, meaning half of the atoms give up 1 electron, while the other half give up 2 electrons. This gets even more complicated with you have other exotic metals.

Furthermore, I can see how the myriad molecular orbitals in metallic solids form a continuum for electrons to travel within throughout the solid, but how exactly do network solids such as silicon have conduction orbitals? Are the the MOs in silicon solid also as closely spaced as to form a continuous orbital for electrons to travel within? It just doesn't seem like the tetrahedral shape of a silicon bonds in the solid would provide MO's that are spaced closely enough to form the bands seen in metallic solids.

To be able to see this, you have to do rigorous band-structure calculations. You will need to account for the tight-binding structure, and see how far each local orbital overlap. This could include more than just the nearest neighbor. It is from such band structure calculation that you get the valence band, the band gap, and the conduction band for such semiconductor. You just don't see these things by looking at one, or a few molecular orbitals. It is why this is a many-body physics problem.

Zz.
 
dissolver said:
Furthermore, I can see how the myriad molecular orbitals in metallic solids form a continuum for electrons to travel within throughout the solid, but how exactly do network solids such as silicon have conduction orbitals?
In exactly the same way.
Are the the MOs in silicon solid also as closely spaced as to form a continuous orbital for electrons to travel within?
Yes (loosely speaking).
It just doesn't seem like the tetrahedral shape of a silicon bonds in the solid would provide MO's that are spaced closely enough to form the bands seen in metallic solids.
Why not? How does one make a definitive judgement like that purely qualitatively? Tin - a metal - has the exact same bonding geometry.
 

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