Can Pre-Processing EEG Signals Affect Correlation Coefficients?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of pre-processing EEG signals on the correlation coefficients calculated between different electrode pairs across various frequency bands (delta, theta, alpha). Participants explore the effects of filtering operations, particularly phase changes introduced by these filters, on the correlation values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that phase changes from filtering operations might affect the correlation coefficients and seeks advice on appropriate filtering methods.
  • Another participant questions the initial intention of correlating signals of different frequencies, suggesting that correlating signals within the same frequency band from different electrodes is more appropriate.
  • A later reply clarifies that the EEG readings are taken from 45 electrode positions, and the participant intends to calculate time correlation coefficients within specific frequency bands after bandlimiting the signals.
  • There is a concern about the potential strong impact of phase delay introduced by digital filters on the calculated correlation values, prompting a request for suggestions on how to address this issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of correlating signals within the same frequency band, but there remains uncertainty regarding the effects of pre-processing on correlation coefficients and how to mitigate any potential issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best filtering approach or the extent of the impact of phase changes on correlation coefficients. The discussion includes various assumptions about the filtering process and its effects.

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Hello,
I need to calculate the correlation betweeen a pair of eeg signals in various bands (delta, theta, alpha...). Before I do so, I am filtering out frequencies below 0.5 Hz. (and also notching out 50 Hz.) I wonder whether the phase changes introduced by these filtering operations would affect my correlation coefficient. If yes, what kind of filter should I use? My prime objective is to study the correlation between different electrode pairs and I am concerned about these values getting affected by pre-processing.

Kaushik
 
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kaushik200 said:
Hello,
I need to calculate the correlation betweeen a pair of eeg signals in various bands (delta, theta, alpha...). Before I do so, I am filtering out frequencies below 0.5 Hz. (and also notching out 50 Hz.) I wonder whether the phase changes introduced by these filtering operations would affect my correlation coefficient. If yes, what kind of filter should I use? My prime objective is to study the correlation between different electrode pairs and I am concerned about these values getting affected by pre-processing.

Kaushik

At first it sounds like you want to correlate signals of different frequencies, but that doesn't sound right. But then it sounds like you want to correlate signals in the same band, but from spatially separate electrodes (which sounds better). If the two signals are in the same band with the same processing, I think the processing should not have a big effect on the correlation.

Could you please clarify what you will be correlating?
 
berkeman said:
At first it sounds like you want to correlate signals of different frequencies, but that doesn't sound right. But then it sounds like you want to correlate signals in the same band, but from spatially separate electrodes (which sounds better). If the two signals are in the same band with the same processing, I think the processing should not have a big effect on the correlation.

Could you please clarify what you will be correlating?

Hi, sorry for not being clear enough. eeg readings have been taken from 45 different electrode positions on the scalp @ 256 samples/sec. These signals usually do not have components greater than 128 Hz. I intend to calculate time correlation coefficient between each pair of signal (there are 45c2 pairs) in 4 different bands of interest (0.5-4,4-8,8-12,12-16). Before I do so, all signals are bandlimited to within 0.5-64 Hz. (as a pre-processing formality) to remove very low and high freq. I wonder if the phase delay introduced by these digital filters (while pre-processing as well as while choosing the band of interest) would have a strong impact on the calculated correlation value. If so, I am looking for suggestions as to how to combat this.
 
kaushik200 said:
Hi, sorry for not being clear enough. eeg readings have been taken from 45 different electrode positions on the scalp @ 256 samples/sec. These signals usually do not have components greater than 128 Hz. I intend to calculate time correlation coefficient between each pair of signal (there are 45c2 pairs) in 4 different bands of interest (0.5-4,4-8,8-12,12-16). Before I do so, all signals are bandlimited to within 0.5-64 Hz. (as a pre-processing formality) to remove very low and high freq. I wonder if the phase delay introduced by these digital filters (while pre-processing as well as while choosing the band of interest) would have a strong impact on the calculated correlation value. If so, I am looking for suggestions as to how to combat this.

So you are only correlating signals within the same frequency band, correct?
 
berkeman said:
So you are only correlating signals within the same frequency band, correct?

Yes, of course :)
 

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