Can Protons Be Emitted During Beta Minus Decay?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of protons being emitted during beta minus decay, particularly in relation to the behavior of neutrons and protons within unstable nuclei. Participants explore the mechanisms of beta decay and related processes, including neutron emission and proton emission in various contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in beta minus decay, neutrons convert to protons, which remain in the nucleus, and questions whether protons can also be emitted.
  • Another participant confirms that proton emission is possible for highly unstable and artificially produced nuclides, but typically, proton-rich nuclei decay via positron emission or electron capture.
  • A participant clarifies that neutrons in the nucleus do not decay, implying that the emission of protons alongside electrons and antineutrinos in beta minus decay is not possible.
  • One participant introduces the concept of photoneutron emission, where gamma photons can lead to neutron emission if they exceed a certain energy threshold.
  • A later reply emphasizes the distinction between the proton produced from neutron decay within the nucleus and the emission of a proton during decay processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the emission of protons during beta minus decay, with no consensus reached on the possibility of such an occurrence. Some participants assert that protons remain in the nucleus, while others discuss conditions under which proton emission might occur.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the stability of nuclei and the conditions necessary for various decay processes, which remain unresolved. Specific definitions and thresholds related to binding energy and decay mechanisms are also referenced but not fully explored.

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unstable nucleus with excess neutrons turns to protons, emitting electrons and electron antineutrinos,in this case protons stay in nucleus...is there any case where protons are also emitted ...
 
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malawi_glenn said:

i mean in the beta minus decay neutrons turn to protons and that protons stay in the nuclues..but is there any case where that protons,electrons and electron antineutrinos are emitted...i think free neutrons decay in this way...
 
Neutrons in nucleus don't decay, so no, that reaction of yours is not possible. At least no one has detected it yet.

But if you had neutron emission and that free neutron almost imedatly decays, then you have something similar.
 
Proton emission is possible for highly unstable and artificially produced nuclides (as the Wikipedia article indicates), otherwise proton-rich nuclei decay by positron emission or electron capture.

In beta decay, the resulting proton stays within the nucleus, and with positron emission or electron capture, the resulting neutron stays within the nucleus since the proton or neutron does not overcome the binding energy threshold.

One can have neutron emission if gamma photons with energy exceeding a certain threshold value (binding energy of a neutron for the given nucleus) is incident upon the nucleus. That is photoneutron emission, or in the case of a deuteron, photodisintegration.

http://www.lnf.infn.it/esperimenti/aiace/exp/deuteron.htm

http://hallaweb.jlab.org/collab/meeting/2007-winter/Glister_HallACollab_2007.pdf
 
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Thank you for all replies...
 
I should have been little clearer:

It is a difference between the proton that is left when a "neutron decays inside the nucleus" and the process leading to a proton beeing emitted. You where looking for the process when the proton is beeing emitted togheter with the electron and (anti)neutrino, in the ordinary beta-minus decay. I don't think that is possible.
 

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