Can R be a subring with identity different from 1_S?

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The discussion confirms that a subring R cannot have an identity element 1_R that differs from the identity element 1_S of its parent ring S. This conclusion is based on the properties of monoids, where the identity element must be unique. The participants suggest that a clearer formulation in mathematical texts would be to state that R contains 1_S, ensuring that S acts as a unital R-module. The example of 2x2 matrices illustrates that while R can have its own identity, it does not serve as an identity for S.

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[SOLVED] Identity in a subring

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In Dummit & Foote on the section on tensor product of modules (10.4 pp.359), the authors write

"Suppose that the ring R is a subring of the ring S. Throughout this section, we always assume that 1_R=1_S (this ensures that S is a unital R-module)."

Now, I just want to make sure I'm not missing something. Can R be a subring with identity whose identity 1_R is different from 1_S?

I would say "no" because S, together with its multiplication operation, forms a monoid... and in a monoid M, the identity e is the only element with the ability to do me=em=m for any and all m in M. So if 1_R were an identity for R different than 1_S, it would mean 1_R*r = 1_S*r = r and we would have two different element with the ability to act on the elements of r like an identity, which contradicts the fact that S is a (multiplicative) monoid.

So instead, perhaps a less confusing way to write the above quoted passage would be to say,

"Suppose that the ring R is a subring of the ring S. Throughout this section, we always assume that R contains 1_S (this ensures that S is a unital R-module)."

Yes? Thanks for the feedback.
 
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You are clearly assuming that any ring has a multiplicative identity. Is Dummit and Foote assuming that?
 
Take S to be the ring of 2x2 matrices and R to be the subring consisting consisting of matrices [[x,0],[0,0]] for any x. [[1,0],[0,0]] is a unit for R, but not for S.
 
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