Can someone please explain to me what a dynamical trajectory means?

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The discussion revolves around the term "dynamical trajectory" as used in classical mechanics, specifically in the context of the equations of motion and the work-energy theorem. Participants seek to clarify the meaning and implications of this term as presented in the book by Fetter and Walecka.

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  • Some participants suggest that "dynamical trajectory" refers to the path a particle takes according to Newton's laws of motion, emphasizing the role of forces acting on the particle.
  • Others propose that the term implies the trajectory is influenced solely by the forces from the field, with velocity being consistent with the force equation.
  • One participant argues that the term "dynamical" may be superfluous, asserting that the concept of trajectory inherently involves motion over time.
  • Another participant notes that the term could imply that Newton's second law must be satisfied along the trajectory, distinguishing it from other types of motion constrained by different conditions.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of the term and the difficulty in interpreting the author's intent without direct clarification from them.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the term "dynamical trajectory," with no consensus reached on its precise meaning or necessity. Some agree on its connection to Newton's laws, while others question the need for the term "dynamical."

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "trajectory" and "dynamical" as used in the context of the discussion. The implications of these terms may vary based on their specific definitions in the referenced textbook.

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Can someone please explain to me what a "dynamical trajectory" means?

I am reviewing the first chapter of my classical mechanics book (Fetter & Walecka), and in the very first section he uses the term "dynamical trajectory". I have seen this derivation many times, but I just don't understand exactly what that term means.

Here is the page (he goes from 1.7a to 1.7b using this principle)

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I've never heard this expression before, but obviously what Fetter and Walecka (btw. well known for their classic book on quantum many-body theory) mean a trajectory a particle takes according to the equations of motion (Newton's Law),
m \ddot{\vec{x}}=\vec{F}(\vec{x}).
Then calculating the work done on the particle when moving along that line leads to the "work-energy theorem" (1.7a). It's important to remember that this law holds generally only for the work done when the particle is moving along the so defined "dynamical trajectory", i.e., the trajectory followed by the particle when solving the equation of motion.

The more special very important case for a conservative force, i.e., a force which has a potential,
\vec{F}=-\vec{\nabla}U
the work does not depend on the path along which the line integral, defining work is taken, but only on the start and end point of the path, as is proven in the next paragraph of the book.

Then, for any motion of the particle, i.e., "along any dynamical trajectory", the total energy of the particle is conserved:
\frac{\mathrm{d} E}{\mathrm{d} t}=\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \left (\frac{m}{2} \dot{\vec{x}}^2 + U(\vec{x} \right)=m \dot{\vec{x}} \cdot \ddot{\vec{x}} + \dot{\vec{x}} \cdot \vec{\nabla} U=\dot{\vec{x}}(m\ddot{\vec{x}}-\vec{F})=0,
where in the last step we've made use of Newton's equation of motion.
 
hi richyw! :smile:
richyw said:
… "dynamical trajectory". I have seen this derivation many times, but I just don't understand exactly what that term means.

it seems to mean a trajectory in which the only force on it is the force from the field, F

then v (= ds/dt) is the same v as in the force equation F = mdv/dt :wink:

(personally, i would call that a projectile trajectory, ie a hit-and-forget trajectory of an object that, after it starts, has no propulsion other than from the field)
 
I think it means in plainest English that the particle moves. The trajectory describes the change in location as time progresses, or occasionally we may be interested in examining the past and then we consider time moving backwards.

I think the authors should omit the word dynamical which refers to systems evolving in time (nothing more). The term trajectory covers it all. Fetter and Walecka is a good theoretical mechanics textbook although I like Goldstein as well.

I think most authors occasionally put in superfluous words in their explanations occasionally which confuse an alert reader. Good catch and question
 
vanhees71 said:
I've never heard this expression before, but obviously what Fetter and Walecka (btw. well known for their classic book on quantum many-body theory) mean a trajectory a particle takes according to the equations of motion (Newton's Law),
m \ddot{\vec{x}}=\vec{F}(\vec{x}).
I would read it this way as well. The alternative might be a particle moving along a path which is determined by kinematic constraints, e.g., moving along a curved track, attached by a string, etc.
 
The important part here is that the integral ## \int\limits_1^2 d \boldsymbol s \cdot \boldsymbol F (\boldsymbol r) ## can in principle be taken along any curve between (1) and (2). "Dynamical", however, means that we require that Newton's second law be satisfied everywhere on the curve, which is why we can replace the force with the derivative of the momentum and obtain kinetic energy. The word trajectory alone may not be sufficient to ensure that, but that depends on how it is defined in the book (and whether it is even defined).
 
I may have been too dismissive of the term dynamical. The other posters provide good points. Hard to know the author's intent without asking them.
 

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