Can space lasers power aircraft with unlimited range?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using electrically heated thrusters for aircraft propulsion, specifically exploring the potential for unlimited range through the use of space lasers as a power source. Participants examine the mechanics of electric heating, thrust generation, and alternative propulsion concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a thruster design that uses electric heating to lift 10kg, questioning its feasibility given a 5kg thruster weight.
  • Another participant suggests that the concept resembles an electrically powered jet engine, indicating it might be possible but noting it has not been realized yet.
  • There is a suggestion to calculate the thrust produced by an electric super-heater compared to an electric motor and propeller system, with some participants expressing interest in the outcome of such calculations.
  • A hybrid concept is introduced, where a propeller or turbine drives air into a combustion chamber for super-heating, which is described as a jet engine configuration.
  • A participant references NASA's work on engines utilizing alternative heat sources, specifically mentioning aircraft powered by laser beams from solar power satellites, which could theoretically provide unlimited range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the efficiency and practicality of different propulsion methods, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the feasibility of the proposed thruster design.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the efficiency of electric heating and propulsion systems, as well as the potential for hybrid designs. There are unresolved calculations and comparisons between different propulsion methods that remain open for exploration.

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My knowledge suggests when gasses are heated rapidly, they also expand due to the new energy in the gas.

Is it possible to create a thruster that is able to lift 10kg via electric heating?

The thruster would allow cold air to enter the chamber, where it would then be super-heated & ejected as thrust through a valve.

Let's say the thruster weighs 5kg & it must lift 10kg. Is this possible? i
 
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What you describe is basically an electrically powered jet engine. It's probably possible, but I don't think it has been done before.
 
Yeah, it would be a fun exercise to calculate the amount of thrust you could get with such an electric super-heater, versus using the same amount of electricity to drive an electric motor and propeller arrangement...
 
berkeman said:
Yeah, it would be a fun exercise to calculate the amount of thrust you could get with such an electric super-heater, versus using the same amount of electricity to drive an electric motor and propeller arrangement...
Hahaha I'm not sure if that was sarcastic, but I would like to find out.
 
GurfX said:
Hahaha I'm not sure if that was sarcastic, but I would like to find out.
No, not meant as sarcasm at all. I'd suspect that the efficiency of the motor+propeller would be much higher, but you'd need to do the calculations to find out for sure.
 
berkeman said:
No, not meant as sarcasm at all. I'd suspect that the efficiency of the motor+propeller would be much higher, but you'd need to do the calculations to find out for sure.

Well I was thinking of a hybrid concept which uses a propeller/turbine to drive in air through a valve, which would then super-heat the gas & exhaust it.
 
GurfX said:
Well I was thinking of a hybrid concept which uses a propeller/turbine to drive in air through a valve, which would then super-heat the gas & exhaust it.
The propeller/compressor is before the combusion/heating section and the turbine has to be after combustion/heating section. It's a jet engine.
 
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NASA has done work on engines using alternative heat sources. A most interesting application was in aircraft using laser beams from solar power satellites as the heat source for the engine.
The work was summarized in a NASA symposium on radiant energy conversion in space, which sketched out aircraft concepts using space laser power for essentially unlimited range/endurance.
 

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