Can Squaring Integrals Simplify Calculus Problems?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of squaring definite integrals and whether this operation is equivalent to integrating twice. Participants explore this idea through examples and mathematical reasoning, focusing on the implications for various functions and limits of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether squaring a definite integral is equivalent to integrating twice, proposing the equation: (Definite integral of f(x) from a to b)^2 = definite integral from a to b of the definite integral of f(x) from a to b.
  • One participant suggests testing this with a simple function, f(x) = x.
  • Another participant concludes that the two expressions are not equal, indicating a need for further exploration of when, if ever, this might hold true.
  • Some participants express that the problem may be complex due to the variety of functions and limits involved, suggesting it could relate to calculus of variations.
  • There is a discussion about the right-hand side of the equation equating to a definite integral of a constant, leading to a derived equation involving C, where C represents the integral value.
  • One participant recalls a method involving the Poisson integral and squaring it, leading to a result that connects to polar coordinates and the value of pi.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the equivalence of squaring integrals and integrating twice. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the validity of the proposed relationships.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in assumptions about the functions involved and the conditions under which the proposed equivalences might hold. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific definitions.

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Hello,

When I recently was studying for my calculus I's rules of definite integrals, I was wondering if squaring a definite integral would be the same as integrating twice like in the following:( Definite integral of f(x) from a to b)^2 = definite integral ,from a to b, of the definite integral of f(x) from a to b)
 
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Ibraheem said:
Hello,

When I recently was studying for my calculus I's rules of definite integrals, I was wondering if squaring a definite integral would be the same as integrating twice like in the following:( Definite integral of f(x) from a to b)^2 = definite integral ,from a to b, of the definite integral of f(x) from a to b)

Did you think to try this with an example function f(x)?
 
Simplest example f(x)=x.
 
Yes, It is clearer now.

( Definite integral of f(x) from a to b)^2 does not equal definite integral ,from a to b, of the definite integral of f(x) from a to b)
 
It may be interesting to figure out if it is ever actually true. But it is a hard problem, considering all possible functions and all possible limits of integration. Seems maybe an issue of calculus of variations?
 
How does this make sense? The RHS is "definite integral ,from a to b, of the definite integral of f(x) from a to b)"
which equals definite integral, from a to b, of a constant.
 
A constant is a continuous function, which can be Riemann-integrated: ##\int_a^b C dx=C(b-a) ##
 
ok then so letting Integral[a,b] f(x)dx =C, the problem is equivalent to C^2= C(b-a) and hence C=0 or b-a
 
Yes, seems right.
 
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Hmm I think i saw something like what you're saying once.. a way of solving the poisson integral by squaring it... It was something like I^2=Integral [minus, plus infinity] e^(-x^2)dx times same thing but with y instead of x... then you get integral [minus,plux] of integral [minus,plus] of e^-(x^2+y^2)dxdy which is an integral over the whole xy plane... and so you can change to polar coordinates and you easily get the result for that integral which is pi... so there you have it.. I squared is pi, therefor I is the square root of pi..
 

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