Can the escape velocity be achieved at any angle?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of escape velocity and whether it can be achieved at any angle relative to a celestial body. Participants explore the implications of escape velocity in terms of directionality and conservation laws, considering both theoretical derivations and physical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation of escape velocity, suggesting that it can be achieved at any angle since the formula does not include an angle term.
  • Another participant argues that escape velocity must be directed radially outwards to achieve the condition of reaching infinity with zero remnant velocity, citing conservation of angular momentum.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that escape velocity can still be valid regardless of angle, emphasizing that velocity can approach zero as distance increases.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of pointing the velocity vector directly at the mass, questioning whether this leads to infinite force or if the velocity would also become infinite.
  • One participant notes that it does not make physical sense to direct velocity towards the object, reiterating that escape velocity is defined in the context of escaping the gravitational influence of a planet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether escape velocity can be achieved at any angle, with some asserting it must be radial while others contest this notion. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of conservation laws and the implications of velocity direction, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical or physical nuances involved in these considerations.

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So I looked at a neat derivation for what the minimun escape velocity is, and It was pretty clever. Because this is conserved:
KE + PE = 1/2 *mv^2 + -GMm/r
You can find what the velocity would have to be to get to infinity with zero velocity
1/2 *mvesc^2 + -GMm/r = 1/2 *m(0)^2 + -GMm/(infinity) = 0
1/2 *[STRIKE]m[/STRIKE]vesc^2 = GM[STRIKE]m[/STRIKE]/r
vesc = sqrt(2GM/r)
However, there is no "angle" term included in this. Does this mean that it can travel at this velocity at any angle and it will escape? What if the velocity vector is pointed right at the thing it's orbiting?

Thanks
 
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I believe that velocity has to be directed radially outwards. The escape velocity is defined as the velocity required for an object to "get to infinity" with zero remnant velocity. If the velocity is not radially, then that cannot happen from the conservation of angular momentum.
 
Yuqing said:
I believe that velocity has to be directed radially outwards. The escape velocity is defined as the velocity required for an object to "get to infinity" with zero remnant velocity. If the velocity is not radially, then that cannot happen from the conservation of angular momentum.

Nope - it works just fine regardless of angle. Keep in mind that from a conservation of angular momentum point of view, v can still go to zero (as r -> inf).
 
cjl said:
Nope - it works just fine regardless of angle. Keep in mind that from a conservation of angular momentum point of view, v can still go to zero (as r -> inf).

But mathematically, if you pointed the velocity vector straight at the object with mass M, the force would be infinite when r = 0, and the object would be stationary. Right? Or does the velocity also grow to be near infinite, kind of making them "cancel out?"
 
cjl said:
Nope - it works just fine regardless of angle. Keep in mind that from a conservation of angular momentum point of view, v can still go to zero (as r -> inf).

Ah yes, forgot about the fact that r -> inf.

@nhmllr It doesn't really make physical sense to point the velocity towards the object. Escape velocity is defined in terms of the object "escaping" the planet.
 

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