Can the Limit of a Function Exist Despite Contradictory Values?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the function \( \lim_{x \to 1} \frac{1}{x-1} \) and whether it exists. Participants are exploring the implications of the limit definition and the behavior of the function near the point of interest.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to prove that the limit does not exist by assuming a limit \( L \) and exploring contradictions arising from various values of \( \epsilon \) and \( \delta \). Some are questioning the validity of their assumptions and considering direct proofs based on the function's behavior.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants suggesting direct approaches while others continue to analyze contradictions in their assumptions. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of one-sided limits to demonstrate the non-existence of the limit.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of limits, particularly in the context of approaching a point where the function exhibits infinite behavior. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the assumptions made during the proof attempts.

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Homework Statement


Proof that the limit of the function below doesn't exists.
limx-->1 1/(x-1)

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The Attempt at a Solution


Lets assume that limit L exists.
So if (1) 0< |x-1| < δ then (2) |1/(x-1) - L| < ε

at the book they gave an example by giving a value to ε.
put ε = 1. then showing a contradiction by giving two δ values to x.

but now I am thinking about what values can i put that satisfy (1) that for them |1/(x-1) - L| < 1 doesn't hold.
 
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Maybe if ε = L/2

then if i put x1= δ/2+1, x2 = -δ/2 +1 both of them satisfy (1)
then i get for (2)
|δ/2 - L| < L/2, and |-δ/2 - L| < L/2 δ>0
and we can see that |-δ/2 - L| < L/2 doesn't hold. and that is contradiction, and therefore the limit doesn't exists.
 
now i see i haven't shown that L ≠ 0, because ε > 0.ε = δ/2, looks like it would work now. since δ >0.

|δ/2 - L| < δ/2, and |-δ/2 - L| < δ/2

and in all cases of L, L>0, L<0. L=0 there are contradictions.
and therefore there is no limit.
 
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Dank2 said:

Homework Statement


Proof that the limit of the function below doesn't exists.
limx-->1 1/(x-1)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Lets assume that limit L exists.
So if (1) 0< |x-1| < δ then (2) |1/(x-1) - L| < ε

at the book they gave an example by giving a value to ε.
put ε = 1. then showing a contradiction by giving two δ values to x.

but now I am thinking about what values can i put that satisfy (1) that for them |1/(x-1) - L| < 1 doesn't hold.
Instead of a proof by contradiction, why don't you try proving this directly? Looking at the graph of f(x) = 1/(x - 1), it's clear that the limit doesn't exist (in any sense), because ##\lim_{x \to 1^-}\frac 1 {x - 1} = -\infty## while ##\lim_{x \to 1^+}\frac 1 {x - 1} = \infty##

If you can use the definition of the limit to prove each of these one-sided limits, that should do the job.
 
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Mark44 said:
Instead of a proof by contradiction, why don't you try proving this directly? Looking at the graph of f(x) = 1/(x - 1), it's clear that the limit doesn't exist (in any sense), because ##\lim_{x \to 1^-}\frac 1 {x - 1} = -\infty## while ##\lim_{x \to 1^+}\frac 1 {x - 1} = \infty##

If you can use the definition of the limit to prove each of these one-sided limits, that should do the job.

Sorry, yes you are right, i can do that too.
 

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