Can the Maximum Efficiency of a Thermal Cycle Be 2/5?

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The discussion revolves around the maximum efficiency of a thermal cycle, specifically questioning whether it can reach a value of 2/5. The subject area includes thermodynamics and efficiency calculations related to thermal cycles.

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  • Participants explore expressions for work and heat in terms of pressure and volume changes. There are attempts to simplify these expressions and relate them to the efficiency ratio. Questions arise about constraints on the variables involved and how to derive the maximum efficiency.

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Participants have made progress in manipulating the equations and expressing the efficiency in terms of the variables Δp and ΔV. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which the maximum efficiency might occur, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with specific attention to the implications of setting certain variables to zero. The discussion reflects a lack of definitive constraints on the variables, which is acknowledged by participants.

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a) Leg 4 and Leg 1 W=P_0(V_1-V_0)+P_1(V_0-V_1)
b) Leg 4: Q= C_v*ΔT=C_v*ΔP*V_0/nR = 3/2*(V_0*P_0-V_0*P_1)
Leg 1: Q=C_p*ΔT=C_p*P_0*ΔV/nR = 5/2*(P_0*V_1-P_0*V_0)
Q=3/2*(V_0*P_0-V_0*P_1)+ 5/2*(P_0*V_1-P_0*V_0)
c) W/Q = [P_0(V_1-V_0)+P_1(V_0-V_1)] / [3/2*(V_0*P_0-V_0*P_1)+ 5/2*(P_0*V_1-P_0*V_0)]
No idea how to get 2/5
 

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Please try to factor your expressions and also to express as much as possible in terms of ##\Delta p## and ##\Delta V##.
 
Chestermiller said:
Please try to factor your expressions and also to express as much as possible in terms of ##\Delta p## and ##\Delta V##.
Ok..
I got W/Q = ΔpΔV / ((3/2)*Δp*V0 + (5/2)*ΔV*P0). I don't know how to continue because I can't see any constraint on the variables...
 
Clara Chung said:
Ok..
I got W/Q = ΔpΔV / ((3/2)*Δp*V0 + (5/2)*ΔV*P0). I don't know how to continue because I can't see any constraint on the variables...
Much better. Now, if I write ##p_0=p_1+\Delta p##, I obtain:
$$\frac{W}{Q}=\frac{\Delta p\Delta V}{[\frac{5}{2}\Delta p\Delta V+\frac{5}{2}p_1\Delta V+\frac{3}{2}V_0\Delta p]}$$
Does this give you any ideas?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Much better. Now, if I write ##p_0=p_1+\Delta p##, I obtain:
$$\frac{W}{Q}=\frac{\Delta p\Delta V}{[\frac{5}{2}\Delta p\Delta V+\frac{5}{2}p_1\Delta V+\frac{3}{2}V_0\Delta p]}$$
Does this give you any ideas?
I try to divide the numerator and denominator by \Delta p\Delta V, so 1/ (5/2 + 5/2 p-1/ \Delta p + 3/2 * V_0/\Delta V) , because \Delta p and \Delta V are positive, the maximum value 2/5 occurs when p_1 and V_0 = 0?
 
Clara Chung said:
I try to divide the numerator and denominator by \Delta p\Delta V, so 1/ (5/2 + 5/2 p-1/ \Delta p + 3/2 * V_0/\Delta V) , because \Delta p and \Delta V are positive, the maximum value 2/5 occurs when p_1 and V_0 = 0?
Yes. They can both approach zero. See your diagram.
 
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