Can the Noether current be derived from the electrodynamic Lagrangian?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Noether current from the electrodynamic Lagrangian, specifically focusing on the implications of diffeomorphism invariance. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and variations of the Lagrangian, as well as the conditions under which the Noether current can be constructed.

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  • One participant presents a detailed calculation involving the variation of the electrodynamic Lagrangian, expressing concerns about deriving the Noether current and its exactness.
  • The participant proposes that the Noether current can be expressed as \(\mathcal{J} = -\frac{1}{2}(\delta A - \xi\cdot F)\wedge * F\), but questions whether this current is exact under the equations of motion for the vector potential A.
  • Another participant suggests consulting a specific reference for further insights into the topic, indicating that it may provide useful context or solutions.
  • A later reply acknowledges the suggestion and mentions that the original poster has resolved the problem independently but remains open to reviewing the recommended article.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exactness of the Noether current or the specific form of the current associated with diffeomorphism invariance. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical expressions and assumptions about the properties of the Lagrangian and the vector potential A, which may not be fully explored or resolved within the thread.

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Hi, I have a computational question which concerns forms. I want to compute the variation of the electrodynamic Lagrangian, seen here as an n-form:

L = -\frac{1}{2}F \wedge *F

with F=dA. I want to derive the Noether-current from this Lagrangian. The symmetrytransformation we are concerned with are coordinatetransformations induced by Lie-derivatives acting on A. A general variation of L can be composed as

\delta L = E \cdot\delta A+ d\Theta

where \Theta are the boundary terms and E are the equations of motion for the vector potential A. If we now have a vector field \xi we can construct the Noether current

<br /> \mathcal{J} \equiv \Theta -\xi\cdot L<br />

(where the dot indicates contraction with the first index of L) such that

d\mathcal{J} = - E\delta A

If the equations of motion hold, then there can be a Noether charge Q such that

\mathcal{J} = dQ

I want to verify this for the electrodynamic Lagrangian given above, and I have the suspicion that for this particular Lagrangian we can't construct this Q ( so that the current \mathcal{J} isn't exact, but it should be closed). But I'm a little stuck with the calculation. A variation of L gives me

\delta L = -\frac{1}{2} (\delta F \wedge *F + F \wedge \delta *F)

which can be worked out, with F=dA, as

<br /> \delta L = -\frac{1}{2}[d(\delta A \wedge *F) + \delta A \wedge d*F + F \wedge \delta *F ]

I'm interested in the A-field. I thought that

<br /> \delta * F = * \delta F + \frac{1}{2}(g^{\alpha\beta}\delta g_{\alpha\beta}) * F<br />

and the metric-part is going to give me the energy-momentum tensor of the electromagnetic field, which we can disregard. I recognize in this variation

<br /> \Theta = -\frac{1}{2}\delta A \wedge *F<br />

So I would say that my Noether current is given by

<br /> \mathcal{J} = -\frac{1}{2}\Bigr(\delta A - \xi\cdot F \Bigr)\wedge * F<br />

but if I take the exterior derivative of this, it doesn't give me the form I want; It's not exact if the equations of motion for A hold.

So my questions are :

1)what is the corresponding Noether current for the electrodynamic Lagrangian associated with diffeomorphism-invariance of the action?

2) Is this current exact?
 
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Try consulting Eguchi,Gilkey and Hanson:"Gravitation,gauge theories and differential geometry",Physics Reports,Vol.66,6,pp.213-393,December 1980.This is a nice handbook-style article that you may already be familiar with.
 
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Try consulting Eguchi,Gilkey and Hanson:"Gravitation,gauge theories and differential geometry",Physics Reports,Vol.66,6,pp.213-393,December 1980.This is a nice handbook-style article that you may already be familiar with.

Thanks for the advice ! A late reply, because I spend some time elsewhere :) I already solved this problem myself, but I will certainly take a glance at your article !
 

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