Can the Solution of a Heat Equation Only Get Smoother as Time Increases?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of solutions to the heat equation, specifically whether these solutions become smoother over time. Participants explore the implications of time irreversibility in heat equations and seek to clarify terminology related to the concept of "smoothing" versus "coarsening" of solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about how to demonstrate that the solution of a heat equation becomes smoother as time progresses.
  • There is confusion regarding the term "coarsen," with some participants suggesting that it may have different meanings in various fields, leading to a focus on the concept of smoothing instead.
  • A participant references the time irreversibility of heat equations as a central theme in the discussion.
  • Another participant presents a specific case of the heat equation with periodic boundary conditions and provides a mathematical expression for the solution.
  • One participant questions the necessity of using kernel or Green's function methods, expressing a desire for alternative explanations that assess the shape of the solution along the entire curve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology used to describe the behavior of solutions, particularly regarding "smoother" versus "coarsened." The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various approaches and seek clarification on the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the definitions and implications of "smoother" and "coarsened" in the context of heat equations, which may affect the understanding of the discussion. Additionally, some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully explored or clarified.

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how to show or prove that the shape of the solution of a heat equation can only go smoother and smoother but not the opposite as time increases?
 
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feynman1 said:
how to show or prove that the solution of a heat equation can only go coarsened/smoother as time increases?
Sorry, my Google search of your term coarsened seems to say the opposite of smoother. Could you please expand on your question, and post links to relevant articles?

And your marked your thread start with an "A" prefix, which means you want the discussion to be at the graduate school / PhD level. Is that really what you intended?
 
berkeman said:
Sorry, my Google search of your term coarsened seems to say the opposite of smoother. Could you please expand on your question, and post links to relevant articles?

And your marked your thread start with an "A" prefix, which means you want the discussion to be at the graduate school / PhD level. Is that really what you intended?
graduate school / PhD level is the right category.
maybe coarsen means differently in different fields, so let's forget about coarsen and just consider a solution becoming smoother and smoother.
 
feynman1 said:
how to show or prove that the solution of a heat equation can only go coarsened/smoother as time increases?
Please post links to your reading about your question. Thank you.
 
berkeman said:
Please post links to your reading about your question. Thank you.
sorry but if there was such a link there'd be explanations then I wouldn't have posted here. It's just about time irreversibility of heat equations.
 
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feynman1 said:
time irreversibility of heat equations
So you're really going to make us Google search that phrase? Please do that search and tell us what you don't understand. Seriously.
 
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Consider the simplest situation: boundary conditions are ##2\pi-##periodic
$$u_t=u_{xx},\quad u\mid_{t=0}=v(x)=\sum_{k\in\mathbb{Z}}v_ke^{ikx}$$ then the solution
is
$$u(t,x)=\sum_{k\in\mathbb{Z}}v_k e^{-|k|^2t}e^{ikx}.$$ It is it.
 
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A similar way to look at this is to consider the same problem as Wrobel did, ##u_t = u_{xx}## with ##u(x,t=0) = v(x)##, but over the entire real line. You should be able to derive the kernel ##g## such that the solution is ##u(x,t) = \int g(x-y, t) v(y) \, dy##.
 
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thanks for the suggested explanation, however is there any approach of not using a kernel/Green's function/fourier expansion, since an explanation via a summation of functions isn't the most convincing because one needs to assess the shape along the whole curve?
 

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