Can this expression be factored?

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the quadratic expression \(x^2 + 4x - 1\). Participants explore various methods for factorization, including the quadratic formula and completing the square, while considering the implications of factoring over different number sets.

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  • One participant questions whether the expression can be factored, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant states that the expression cannot be factored over the rationals but suggests a specific factorization involving square roots, indicating a potential method to verify the factorization using computational tools.
  • A different participant provides a detailed derivation using the quadratic formula, presenting the roots and corresponding factors of the expression, while also mentioning the method of completing the square.
  • Another participant reiterates the completing the square method, arriving at a similar factorization and emphasizing the difference of squares approach.

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Participants present multiple methods for factorization, including the quadratic formula and completing the square, but there is no consensus on the acceptability of factoring over the rationals versus including irrational numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these methods.

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There are limitations regarding the definitions of the number sets over which the expression can be factored, as well as the assumptions about the methods used for factorization. The discussion does not resolve the question of whether the expression can be factored in a universally accepted manner.

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I was wondering whether this expression could be factored by any means

$x^2+4x-1$Many THanks :)
 
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Not over the rationals, but if you multiply out $\left(x+\sqrt{5}+2\right)\left(x-\sqrt{5}+2\right)$, I fancy you'll get your original expression back. Wolfram|Alpha is a great way to check these sorts of things. You can use the quadratic formula to get it by hand (set your quadratic equal to zero).
 
Or you could use the quadratic formula to show that $$x^2+ 4x- 1= 0$$ has roots [math]\frac{-4\pm\sqrt{4^2- 4(1)(-1)}}{2(1)}= \frac{-4\pm\sqrt{16+ 4}}{2}= \frac{-4\pm\sqrt{20}}{2}= \frac{4\pm2\sqrt{5}}{2}= 2\pm\sqrt{5}[/math] so that its factors are [math](x- 2- \sqrt{5})(x- 2+ \sqrt{5})[/math].

Or "complete the square": [math]x^2+ 4x- 1= x^2+ 4x+ 4- 4- 1= (x- 2)^2- 5= (x- 2)^2- (\sqrt{5})^2[/math], a "difference of two squares" which can be factored as a "sum and difference", [math](x- 2+ \sqrt{5})(x- 2- \sqrt{5})[/math].
([math]a^2- b^2= (a+ b)(a- b)[/math])
 
Complete The Square Method:
$x^2 + 4x - 1 $
$= x^2 + 4x + 4 - 4 - 1$
$ = (x + 2)^2 - 5$
$ = (x + 2)^2 - (\sqrt{5})^2$
$ = (x + 2 + \sqrt{5})(x + 2 - \sqrt{5})$
 

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